Budgerigars have tetrachromatic color vision and one named Puck had a
vocabulary of 1728 words.They obviously don't have the brain power or
incentive to develop science or civilization but they are sentient.
The difference between sentience and intelligence seems blurred.I have
long advocated
Dave wrote:/I would not expect a present day design to behave in/
/a manner that remotely resembles a human. Our brain appears to be a massively
parallel data processing environment while most computers process one
instruction at a time. We need to understand parallel systems far better/
It doesn't matter much what either candidate says, they will follow the
advice of DoE or NASA. DoE in particular STILL don't think ELNR
happens. At least that is their current official position.
See what I wrote here
More crap. Without polluting CO2 there would be no life on this planet.
Perhaps more to the point, global temperature has not risen for 16 years
falsifying the IPCC forecast.
Six years ago, the story was there has been no temperature rise for 10
years but that is not enough for a trend. You
Jed,
I have been following the subject fairly closely. I'm not about to
start yet another discussion on AGW. I've written hundreds of posts on
that already. That the IPCC forecast has been falsified for the average
of the models and most of the individual models you can read about on
Jed, I don't have a PhD in LENR either, but I believe it exists even
though the mainstream doesn't. Possibly my opinion is worth little.
The IPCC forecast has been falsified. It doesn't take a genius to
understand that. The link I gave to Lucia's site The Blackboard has
covered that in
Inteligentry is still making optimistic noises with only a day to go
/*_Wow_!! It looks like we'll be busy with News and Media for several
months. We are getting invites to other shows as well.!!*/
We may take a /big booth/ at the *CES* show here in Vegas in
January. *ANY LICENSEE
The electronics are beyond my range of expertise but possibly someone
here can tell if this makes any sense.
Jed, you have it correctly.Mark Gibbs is caught up in the current pc
scientific way of demanding a theory before experimental results can be
accepted.
It is even worse than that. Consider climate science.There the theory is
preferred to the actual evidence when the two diverge.The current AR5
Steven Vincent Johnson
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22OrionWorks+-+Steven+Vincent+Johnson%22wrote:
However, what is significant is that Rossi never allows his tantalizing
evidence to be independently validated.
Actually he has. The third party verification
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I'm glad you feel better now.I am skeptical by nature but have been
persuaded that Rossi has something.Just how well the E-Cats work has not
been proven and there may well still be problems with repeatability and
control.
There are too many people who have seen
Jed wrote: Too true! I think his claims are basically true, but I have
no idea about the details, or how close to reality the hot cat is. The
details are obscured by layer upon layer of double-talk and obfuscation.
I assume that is deliberate.
I basically agree with you. He would have to be
Re Anger grows over the death of Aaron Swartz, you can sign a petition
to have Ortiz removed from office. I read that hounding Swartz is not
the only unpleasant thing she is guilty of doing.
I don't agree with you in this particular case. From what I read, the
authors of the papers at JSTOR get paid nothing it all goes to the
company. It was a victimless crime and JSTOR didn't want to prosecute
and had settled with Swartz in June.
How can you justify charging him a million dollar
Christos Stremmenos on Piantelli Patent
I was very much surprised, upon reading the “Description of Prior Art”
in the publication of European Patent EP 2368 252 B1 (Jan 16th 2013,
priority 24/11/2008) granted to inventor Francesco Piantelli, to find
out that the inventor was said to have been
Rob Dingemans
Of course an inventor is to be linked to the patent(s), so this person
can be seen as someone that has brought a (great) contribution for the
field.'
Hard to live on your great contribution, particularly if you have spent
all your money and hocked your house to develop it.
From ecatreport
Andrea Rossi writes:
I receive many requests of opinion about the last patents granted
in matter of LENR: this comment answers to all. None of those
patents explains how the E-Cat can work. I read very shaky theories
in them that never produced anything really
Edmund Storms wrote: This is obviously a basic question and the obvious
answer is a form of socialism. Money will have be extracted from the
system to give basic support to the unemployed and underemployed. As we
know from sad experience, when people are hungary and bored they gum up
the
I should have described the difficulty of transition.
When a few companies have changed to fully automated production it is
hard to see how they can be made to use a shorter work week, earlier
retirement, higher taxes etc.To impose those things just on companies
changing to full automation
Antarctica is getting colder.
There has been no statistically significant global warming for 15 years
despite CO2 going up 10%
Wu et al., 2010 determined that the GIA commonly assumed for Greenland
was way too high and that the 2002-2008 ice loss rate was 104 Gt/yr
rather than the oft cited
This paper that you can find from one of the links gives more details
than I have seen before.
http://aromapress.com/~defkalio/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ICCF-17-Hadjichristos-Technical-Characteristics-Paper.pdf
Seems they claim they can get a COP of 22
Jed,
It seems your forecast maybe slightly off.
See /3D printing with metal: The final frontier of additive manufacturing/
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143552-3d-printing-with-metal-the-final-frontier-of-additive-manufacturing.
I see no intrinsic problem with using other materials and much
Jed wrote.
/The scientific establishment is an abstraction. It is not a real body.
There is no single group constituting that establishment that meets in a
building somewhere, like a Congress, and reaches unanimous conclusions.
Even if a majority of scientists remain unconvinced by a good
Ed,
I sure looks like Rossi has produced real power.Not clear why you think
he is bad at business.He has apparently allied himself with a large US
company capable of producing thousands of reactors per day yet not
causing sufficient excitement to stimulate much competition.We just have
to
don't understand why a partner would be kept with a secret
identity. Anyone can say, I have a large US partner. I'm not
saying he doesn't have one, I'm just saying it is curious.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net
mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Ed
e-catworld has this update.
UPDATE: Rossi reports that one of the testers told him: ” ” What we have
seen is too important, must absolutely be published”. Also, in reference
to the new design of the hot cat, he states: “Basically, we have no more
a reactor or a cluster of reactors, but each
Axil,
It looks like my speculation may be right. Rossi writes:
1.
Andrea Rossi
March 25th, 2013 at 8:13 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=791cpage=4#comment-664056
Dear Robert Tanhaus:
1- no, we revolutioned the technology separating the activation from
the
If in doubt, look at the data.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png
Subject: Danger of EXPLOSION: possible cathalitic effects even at low
temperatures.
From: Francesco Celani Date: Fri, April 12, 2013 11:13 am To: [snip] @
gmail.com [snip] @ yahoo.fr, [snip ] @ ni.com, [omitted] @
chavaenergy.com, [omitted] @ missouri.edu, [omitted] @ nasa.gov
Dear
Subject: Danger of EXPLOSION: possible cathalitic effects even at low
temperatures.
From: Francesco Celani Date: Fri, April 12, 2013 11:13 am To: [snip] @
gmail.com [snip] @ yahoo.fr, [snip ] @ ni.com, [omitted] @
chavaenergy.com, [omitted] @ missouri.edu, [omitted] @ nasa.gov
Dear
Sorry for the double post.
I sent the first post without adding [Vo] to it and when it didn't
appear I sent it again but with that prefix.
For future occasions, what is the correct procedure?
Rossi is no hurry to have strong confirmation for business reasons. He
said earlier he was now was not sure why he agreed to the independent
tests.
Seems to me he would not have agreed and given the testers two Hot Cats
if they didn't work.
If they really do work, his 1 MW plant due to be
The problem is not armed drones. They are little different from
advanced artillery.
The problem, as always, is who controls them.
The real problem would be if they were put under the control of a
computer program, like in the Terminator.
Duncan Cumming
No, it does not. What happens is that the diode rectifies the mains to
DC, and the DC is not sensed by the clamp-type current meter.
What would the clamp on meter show with chopped DC?
Having tried to edit something on the wiki E-CAT page and having it
immediately deleted, I ended up writing this on the Topic Talk page.
It probably won't do any good but if enough people do this (anyone can)
They say there are 1000- 7000 hits per day on the E-CAT page.
This discussion
Berke Durak,
My interest was to get Wiki to correct their entry. Not clear to me how
Reddit can help that.
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
This is not true. The test was arranged in Rossi's facilities and by
Giuseppe
Levi. And problem is that we do not know what is financial relationship
between Rossi and Levi, so Levi, who has been chief scientist in all
ecat tests, cannot be considered as independent
I have opened a dispute notice on Wiki. As far as I know, anyone can
join the fray (at the bottom.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Energy_Catalyzer_discussion
I had a go at correcting the Wikipedia article on Rossi's E-Cat and got
topic banned for my trouble. Look at the talk page about three
quarters down (Parallel) When I started, half the intro was a very
negative piece lifted from a blog as a reliable source. The existing
editors like
Actually, it doesn't take a lot of imaginations to visualize a direct
gas turbine conversion. The core of the Hot Cat is a 33mm dia tube, so a
finned bunch of these replacing the combustion chambers could make for
an inefficient engine. Who cares about the efficiency in this case?
Jones,
I wasn't suggesting this is anywhere close, but then neither is the
electric powered version.
We don't know enough about it to start a design, but consider Defkalion
claim a much higher COP and to be able to switch it on and off. If heat
is required, some aviation fuel could be
You are probably better off following the translated page
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ptu=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/prev=/search%3Fq%3DRAR%2Benergia%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D3Nv%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official
I have been following it for a couple of months, because it
Video of the grasshopper rising to altitude and descending again to the
launch pad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=eGimzB5QM1M
MY's suggestion of having Jed run it would immediately be rejected by
the skeptics as yet another test by a believer
Excellent paper Jed. Well done!
Jed,
Rossi has told us that not only is the process written down in detail
but a few others now know it.
Also, he claims his partner has constructed a working E-Cat without any
involvement by him.
So, like everything else with the E-Cat it all depends on whether he is
telling the truth.
I
You know, the two spheres, one running hotter than the other.
He said come back Thursday to see what's inside.
I have not seen anything written about this. Did he open it up?
Chemical weapon attack in Syria.
There are many problems with the stories put out by various
governments.To start with, governments can't be trusted without
independent verification.Remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had?
The war was started on a religious pretext.The rebels are Sunni, the
James Bowery, perhaps I was not clear enough. I said you couldn't trust
governments, remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had?
Of course I know it was a lie. Further, I was pointing out that it
looks like the same thing is being repeated, that the decision to bomb
SYria has already been taken
Is there any way of verifying these purportedly
leaked papers? One from the provided link caught my eye.
from
dgould...@britamdefence.com
Phil
We've got a new offer. It's about Syria
again.Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the
I'm very pessimistic that the general population will hear the real
story until years after any attack.This is the second report about
groups other than the Syrian government using the poison gas and they
all seem as unlikely as the official story that Assad did it.In many
ways the official
Terry Blanton, I don't see it quite that way. In retrospect Obama
drawing a red line was a mistake but it might have worked to deter
Assad. Maybe it did: maybe this is a false flag operation to drag the
US in. One thing is certain, no one should believe the official
government story without
re Alain Sepeda
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Alain+Sepeda%22
Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:06:49 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20130903
Alain,
So why is France gung-ho to bomb Syria? It looks like the French
understand what is
This piece by William Polk is the most complete summary of the known
facts that I have seen so far.
Certainly more complete than anything we will get from the government.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-syria-reader-part-2-william-polk/279255/
Apart from the planned six month test by the scientists that tested the
E-Cat for Elforsk May 2013, it seems there will be another six month
test in the US.
1.
Andrea Rossi
September 4th, 2013 at 6:30 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=816cpage=8#comment-788897
Frank
Obviously originality in physics is age related, but that is just a side
effect when it comes to the gate keepers being tiresomely set in their ways.
The reason for that is explained by Jerry Pournelle's iron law.
Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic
Hard to imagine that amount of radioactive water would not be diluted to
total insignificanceby the Pacific.
Sounds like an even less likely scenario than catastrophic AGW.
Wouldn't mind betting the same people would be against LENR because that
has nuclear in the title.
They say it it light oil, that makes it much easier to extract than say
the tar sands of Canada.
Don't think it matters though. I'm still betting on LENR.
This reminds me that in the early days, when Rossi was talking about his
experiments, he mentioned that he changed the heating element wire from
tungsten to something else, that didn't work as well. So he went back
to tungsten.
I commented at the time that hot tungsten was known to split H2
Alain Sepeda,
I thought you made some very good points.
I have been going on about the coming high permanent unemployment rate
that is inevitable with more automation and better computers, for some
time. This is probably the most efficient answer to that problem.
I particularly like the
I think this gravity machine was on Vortex earlier, but in the last few
days, more photos have been published that show the final configuration,
together with the claim that it works. Clearly RARenergia think that it
does and have spent a lot of money on it.
What is an interesting question
Jones Beene wrote:
Given the obvious amount of friction, almost certainly it will fail as
a way
extract mechanical energy from gravity - so there must be more to the
story...
RAR wrote originally that the machine design output was 30 - 33 kW. So
even if it worked as designed it would be
Jones Beene,
Maybe RAR want their name to be well known. It would surely do that if
it works. I feel really schizophrenic about the whole thing having
great difficulty thinking conservation of energy might be wrong, yet
seeing the owner have his photo taken in front of the finished machine
Jed,
I suppose that once the principle is understood it might be believed,
but I think it would be very difficult to check out the big machine
while it is running.
I still have no clue how it might work from the photos. Anybody else
figured it out? A diagram would be nice.
Jed wrote.
Rossi had no trouble convincing the Swedish Skeptic Society guy.
The problem is, few people believed/him/. Certainly not the diehard
critics or the main media or mainstream science.
Jones Beene,
What makes you think Rossi's partner is still AmpEnergo? Their single
press release is dated Jun 2011.
Rossi says he now has three teams (twenty something people) and there is
supposed to be a group working on the automated factory.
AmpEnergo doesn't seem to consist of more than a
blazespinnaker
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22blazespinnaker%22
Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:01:02 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20131026
Why would it cause textbooks to be rewritten? Energy from gravity is already
done via
The problem with AmpEnergo being the main partner/manufacturer is that
Rossi has said, several times, the name would only be revealed by the
partner when they were ready.
The name AmpEnergo is already known.
I agree it is confusing. Consider that Rossi said his /partner/ would
release the name and test results when ready.
I spoke to AmpEnergo in the very early days and did not get the
impression either that they were big or that they were particularly
interested in Rossi. In later years they
As I recall, Rossi used lead shielding on the early e-cats but doesn't
(I think) anymore.
So he and Focardi must have seen gamma radiation but only later
discovered that it was part of the start up process and not a problem
during normal operation.
Steve Wallace,
On possibility would be that the mass of the flywheel also increases,
which would both explain the flywheel slowing and where the energy goes.
The foreign policy journal has a piece by Dr. Stoyan Sarg
Cold Fusion Energy: What to Expect and How Close We Are
He speculates Rossi's E-Cats need a beta emitter, while Defkalion
doesn't because they use an arc discharge.
That Mazda sounds a little small and underpowered for my taste.
I've always liked and idea that some do-it-yourselfer did in Australia.
Have a plug in all electric car with a range suitable for day to day use
- say 50 miles.
Have a suitable genset mounted on two wheels, that you hook on for
Terry,
Thanks for the link. I love the tzero. I don't understand why it was
so expensive. It seems to me a car like that with batteries for just a
50 mile range shouldn't cost more than one with an IC engine.
So it must be just me that likes them as they haven't made one at a
decent price
RAR continues to post new photos at their site http://rarenergia.com.br/
I also see they claim to have posted five newspaper adverts in the
Gilman IL area saying:
The generator is driven by a mechanical system that is fed exclusively
from the Earth's gravity.
It will be the first equipment
Ed Storms,
I think you underestimate Rossi by saying he doesn't understand it.
Consider that he has access to the data and others don't.Consider how
quickly he devised the Hot Cat after the E-Cats.
Further, I think future progress is already more of a control and
engineering problem than a
Jed wrote.
The extreme temperature in both hemispheres are caused by global warming.
Many people opposed to climatology fail to realize that.
Jed, this is a figment of post normal science. There is absolutely no proof
for what you say
and I have been following it for years. Even the UK Met
Jed wrote: This is your opinion versus the expertise of 99% of
climatologists. I cannot judge but I suppose they are right and you are
wrong. Before anyone says otherwise, let me point out that is NOT an
appeal to authority.
If you had been following climate Science you would know your
Jones Beene,
What Mills talks about is the ejection of very high speed ions from
which it should be possible to generate electricity. Has he stated
that a large proportion of the energy is UV?
Jones Beene,
Nobody knows if the Papp engine was real. Papp certainly demonstrated
some remarkable things like a cannon, with many witnesses, that blew up
with more force than a conventional explosive.
Whether Feynman unplugged the wire is secondary to Papp becoming
agitated when he
Of course many will doubt the free energy claim, but these guys deserve
an A for effort in building a nifty looking car /and/ plane.
http://pesn.com/2014/01/22/9602427_Platinum-Invests_presents_worlds-first_free-energy-car_and_plane/
Brad Lowe,
If the vid of the plane flying is not the one they built, it is very
misleading indeed.Looking more carefully Ithink I can see three
different aircraft.Do you know of them first hand?
Regarding the power plant, they show a picture near the bottom of the
drop down series, that
Apparently very few are being invited.None of our usual reporters.Mills
says there will be video released on the BLP site after the demo is over.
Mills answers some further questions at the site linked below.I note he
doesn't answer the question in several cases and confirms the demo will
Jones Beene,
You may well be right. I can think of some other possibilities. I am
sure that Dr. Mills would prefer the official version to come out first
and so, for example, could have placed an embargo on others until does.
You seem to have a down on BLP. My take is kinder.
From other
Jones Beene
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Jones+Beene%22
Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:17:06 -0800
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140128
/Any News you get will only happen through BLP itself or by way of a preapproved
journalist who
Jones Beene wrote.
This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors in
BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after all the
years of one disappointment after another.
I think it
Jones Beene
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Jones+Beene%22
Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:17:44 -0800
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140129
That is a waiver, OK - but was it the only document required?
Coming back to Earth - it is not
Jones Beene wrote:
Be kind but not blind. You have not suffered through 24 years of
continual disappointment, hyperbole, arrogance and double talk. When one
insists on controlling information flow in order to raise ever more
investment - that is NOT science, it is hucksterism. Will the video
Jones Beene wrote:
Is Rossi really in production? That is the question we should be asking
ourselves today on Vortex - not when is Mills going to have something
beyond vapor ware.
I don't know. If I were Industrial Heat LLC I would want to wait until
after the six months trial before
I spoke to BLP yesterday. They said they were working on the video of
the demo of Jan 28th. and expected it to be published on their site next
week.
If the anomalous energy is as high as claimed it should be possible to
demonstrate it even with a few pulses. I suppose we will see next week.
RAR are progressing with the construction of their second gravity
engine and posted four new photos today.
Presumably they have now had some operating experience of the first
model yet continue to build the second one.
http://www.rarenergia.com.br/gilman%20oficial%2019%20eng.JPG
ref
Mark,
Click on the second link.
Starting at image #53 (and later) there are some diagrams. If you can
understand how it works from those, or from the patent, please let me
know ;-)
It is the brainchild of RAR Energia and funded by them
Jed wrote:
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if
it produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep
going it will convince everyone.
They claimed they had a small model working first. I think you need
something bigger to be believed and
Jed wrote:
Okay, but surely not THIS big!
Ah, but you missed the bit about getting attention.
AA There are several small magnet motors that the inventors claim
work but no one believes them.
Many people would believe them if they would perform a proper
demonstration. It is not difficult
Jed Rothwell
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Jed+Rothwell%22
Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:00:37 -0800
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140207
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Let it run for a long time on a glass table
Some areas feel warmer than others, but they also do when there is
another image or just text on the screen.
Jones,
Thank you for that link. It was fascinating.
What I find hard to understand is why ALL these miraculous inventions go
to the grave with their inventors.
For example T. Henry Moray and Popp. There were plenty of well
witnessed demos yet the devices ALWAYS faded away. It seems strange
I understand that is the textbook answer but I have wondered if there
are exceptions.
For example, imagine a nozzle discharging gas at high velocity into a
large volume of gas. Why isn't that momentum converted into heat? If
it were, the heat energy could be converted into something else.
David Roberson
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22David+Roberson%22
Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:32:56 -0800
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If you look into this scenario in detail, you will see how the total angular
and linear
David Roberson
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Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:47:05 -0800
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There should not be any extra energy than was present in the high velocity gas
and other
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