Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: On many tests, I find it difficult to detect an indication of the underlying transient curve that is many times greater than the noise surrounding the ideal response. Say again? I don't quite follow your conclusion. Your grammar is a little

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-01-03 Thread David Roberson
, Jan 3, 2013 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: On many tests, I find it difficult to detect an indication of the underlying transient curve that is many times greater than the noise surrounding the ideal response

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-01-03 Thread David Roberson
are looking for. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: On many tests, I find it difficult

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Most likely less than 1.5 watts was all that I could squeeze out of the shape. That sounds insignificant. I mentioned this to the MFMP gang but did not receive any reply. Of course, I requested information about the exact test that was being

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-01 Thread David Roberson
To: dlroberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP This is the third installment of my explanation of how to use my simulation program. The last time I left those interested with a task of determining the roots

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
That's great work. Thanks. Unfortunately I think you and the MFM have demonstrated that Celani is not getting any excess heat. He sent them his own wires and they got nothing. Bupkis. Nada. Zilch. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-01 Thread Daniel Rocha
That or the wires are torn by too much use and new ones must be provided. 2013/2/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com That's great work. Thanks. Unfortunately I think you and the MFM have demonstrated that Celani is not getting any excess heat. He sent them his own wires and they got

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-01 Thread Eric Walker
I'm not sure the MFMP have shown more than a null result -- I doubt it can be taken as a negative result. Celani's P_xs was on the order of many watts, if I remember correctly. It seems like he would have had to have some pretty egregious instrument artifact to get those graphs that have been

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-01 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP I'm not sure the MFMP have shown more than a null result -- I doubt it can be taken as a negative result

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP I'm not sure the MFMP have shown more than a null result -- I doubt it can be taken as a negative result. Celani's P_xs was on the order of many watts, if I remember correctly. It seems like he would have had

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Have you identifided the difference (or error) in MFMP team's program that leads them to find excess power? I don't they have found excess power in their most recent analyses. Have they? As I have mentioned here before, what bothers me about Celani's

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-02 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 3:57 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP Dave, Have you identifided the difference (or error) in MFMP team's program that leads them to find excess power? Harry On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-02 Thread David Roberson
Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Have you identifided the difference (or error) in MFMP team's program that leads them to find excess power? I don't they have found excess power in their most

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Feb 2, 2013, at 16:22, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: My belief is that if much excess power were generated, it would certainly show up at the elevated power inputs more than at the lower power steps. Your curve-fitting analyses are always interesting. But I think we should be

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-02 Thread David Roberson
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP On Feb 2, 2013, at 16:22, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: My belief is that if much excess power were generated, it would certainly show up at the elevated

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Have you identifided the difference (or error) in MFMP team's program that leads them to find excess power? I don't they have found excess power in their most recent analyses.

RE: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-03 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Hello Dave, Your tool is powerful! Did you make also the calibration and exercises with the EU cell? They have reported about ~6W excess heat when direct current applied. The cell reports ~2.5W excess heat with an indirect heating. US cells have been disappointing up to now. But EU cell shows

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-03 Thread David Roberson
for now. Dave -Original Message- From: Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 6:04 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP Hello Dave, Your tool is powerful! Did you make also the calibration and exercises

Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-03 Thread David Roberson
, but I suspect that you would be able to use it effectively after a learning experience. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 9:43 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP I have

RE: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP

2013-02-03 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: dimanche 3 février 2013 18:05 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP I just took a quick look at the calibration conditions for the EU cell and am not convinced