Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Peter Gluck
A simpler explanation DGT has stated that the E-cat is not catching energy-mice and got a better place/business to invest money? Also speculating. I have met Prof Stremmenos two times at Asti but we are not in so good relation, cannot phone him. Peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Terry Blanton
I see that Daniele Passerini has also posted the notice with no further comment. Well, the Sea of Women and following poetry could be some kind of subtle statement. T

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread noone noone
What if the opposite is true? What if Defkalion had advanced the technology beyond what Rossi had been able to achieve, and they really did not need Rossi any longer. Remember, Defkalion claimed that the Greek govt were going to do performance and safety certification testing of their products

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g Did you know that Cyprus was once owned by the Templars? T

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Peter Gluck
They are lots of comments- some in English, make a search for the and you get them. Rossi has told to Passerini that the Greeks have not paid, tht's the reason of the divorce. But why have they not paid? The contract with the Bologna U. continues OK (says Rossi) Daniele has also asked Stremmenos

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Jones Beene
...err ... speaking of holy grails ? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g Did you know that Cyprus was once owned by the Templars?

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Peter Gluck
see Ecatnews.com comments re divorce peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g Did you know that Cyprus was once owned by the Templars? T

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Jones Beene
UPDATE: I have been alerted that the likeliest location of Hyperion development in Cyprus is not Nicosia but Limassol, which also looks very inviting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limassol,_Cyprus ...err ... speaking of holy grails ? I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g Did you know

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: UPDATE: I have been alerted that the likeliest location of Hyperion development in Cyprus is not Nicosia but Limassol, which also looks very inviting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limassol,_Cyprus Well, well, well! That

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Jones Beene
Well, well, well indeed! As the evidence adds up, it is looking more and more like this impulsive move by AR - to sever the relationship with DGT - was not such a smart move. Did he let his ego get ahead of cool-headed self-restraint? Seriously, did he not essentially cancel a contract that

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:52 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote: Perhaps Rossi saw how far they had advanced the technology, and got spooked. We don't know the whole story. We don't know what is true at this point. Before there is any sign that Defkalion is making a move, Rossi announces that he's terminating the

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:16 AM 8/7/2011, Peter Gluck wrote: They are lots of comments- some in English, make a search for the and you get them. Rossi has told to Passerini that the Greeks have not paid, tht's the reason of the divorce. But why have they not paid? Again and again Rossi emphasized that he didn't

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/7 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Even if they have no money presently to meet a deadline which had been agreed to months ago (as reported), the fact remains that if they somehow got hold of the industrial secret which they claim to have already, and were able to advance the technology

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
From http://ecatnews.com/ re the Defkalion forum: When live, the forum was a key source of (what should have been) quality information. From it, we were told that Defkalion has tested the eCat many times, always achieving a gain of 19 or more. As we can see below, either they were lying or

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-08-07 16:18, Jones Beene wrote: Well since this breakup information finally comes from Rossi himself, the earlier press release was apparently not a forgery. At any rate, it would be easy to misinterpret what this E-Cat breakup means, but it clearly means that Rossi does not realize

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-08-07 01:32 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Rossi, from his announcement, never trusted them with the catalyst. Therefore, if they did discover the catalyst, they did not obtain it from disclosure, and he's going to have a devil of a time trying to prove that they stole the process.

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-08-07 01:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:52 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote: Perhaps Rossi saw how far they had advanced the technology, and got spooked. We don't know the whole story. We don't know what is true at this point. Before there is any sign that Defkalion is making

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:38 PM 8/7/2011, Jones Beene wrote: How do you turn your back on $100,000,000 (or more) simply on ego-driven impulse? 1. People do this. Rossi had a grandiose perception of himself and his abilities. From what he's stated in the past, he expects to prevail against all obstacles, no

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Abd, ... Expect from Defkalion: a patent, disclosing the catalyst. Very soon, delay could be quite harmful to their interests. And obviously from Rossi's POV, disclosure of the catalyst during what is assumed will be an interesting legal battle would be the last thing he would want

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Mark Iverson
These are very interesting developments indeed... And not unexpected. As Einstein said, Without morality in out actions, there is no salvation for mankind. It's hard enough finding business people who have a high level of integrity when times are good, but given the dismal state of affairs in

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: What makes you think there is a catalyst? All we have is Rossi's word for it. The alleged catalyst has provided a very convenient means for preventing anyone else from event attempting a real replication.  As such,

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Michele Comitini
Reading the announcement on Rossi's blog it seems that he wants to underline the fact that he did not pass any secret (voluntarily) to DGT. So to say that he want to go on the industrial espionage road for the legal battle. Probably he feels his shoulders backed by the US partners. mic Il

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread ecat builder
What makes you think there is a catalyst? That was my thought too... That even without a catalyst or loading of hydrogen into the nickel, a few degrees of excess heat could be gotten with a low-cost replication attempt. I tried and got no results at 20bars of hydrogen and 250C heat. I also used

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-08-07 20:56, ecat builder wrote: with a low-cost replication attempt. I tried and got no results at 20bars of hydrogen and 250C heat. I also used activated charcoal and other methods to increase the exposed nickel surface area. So.. there is at least some trick to get a reaction. On the

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Charles Hope
Quite impressive for a company we were told was thrown together hastily this spring. Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 7, 2011, at 13:39, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: They have dozens of experts and hundreds of millions of dollars, and a board of directors that would be

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread ecat builder
Ecat builder, have you ever tried reading Piantelli's 2010 patent for Thanks S.A., yes, that is a nice reference. If I had more time and a real lab capable of 10^-9 bar and 500C I would try... Was hoping a little transmutation could be achieved without impulses and pre-loading. If anyone knows of

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Jones Beene
Brain Ahern's results are strong evidence that anomalous thermal gain is possible with nano nickel. From there on, it is a struggle to increase the gain. IOW - the HUGE step is to get to rock-solid COP1. This is a done deal. From there on it's a matter of engineering. In Brian's results the

RE: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means : more Rossi posts

2011-08-07 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Rossi's been making frequent posts -- one of his latest: Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 2:22 PM Dear Georgehants: Prof. Stremmenos has tested our E-Cats many times in Bologna and has made a very good work; I do not know what has been done in Greece from Deflalion with the documents made by

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Harry Veeder
fasten your seat belts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypVcv77WBU   Harry

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Rich Murray
Piantelli, Rossi, Defkalion, big US investor... copious hot air... never any facts... so it's all electric heaters in drag... we're all getting old since 1989, gawking at this circus parade. In mutual service, Rich Murray

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:50 PM 8/7/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-08-07 01:32 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Rossi, from his announcement, never trusted them with the catalyst. Therefore, if they did discover the catalyst, they did not obtain it from disclosure, and he's going to have a devil of a time

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:56 PM 8/7/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-08-07 01:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:52 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote: Perhaps Rossi saw how far they had advanced the technology, and got spooked. We don't know the whole story. We don't know what is true at this point.

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means

2011-08-07 Thread Rich Murray
fromWordPress no-re...@wordpress.com to rmfor...@gmail.com dateSun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM subject [New post] Rossi's Scientific Failure in Seven Steps 10:34 AM (4 hours ago) Rossi's Scientific Failure in Seven Steps Steven B. Krivit | August 7, 2011 at 17:34 |

Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means : more Rossi posts

2011-08-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan: Thanks for keeping an eye on Rossi's blog for us. That is helpful. - Jed