Hi!
What about people who were born in the 18th-century? We know they are
dead, but their death is not recorded and we only know when they were
last active. How do you set that end date?
That's what somevalue/unknown is for.
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Stas Malyshev
smalys...@wikimedia.org
For the unknown date case, I also used some imprecise dates in the past, if
you set date withe a precision of the century around the last time it wa
known active for example, you get something semantically correct and that
is probably esaier to handle in queries (athough the way to handle
Hi!
Actually I think that having no value for the end date qualifier
probably means that it has not ended yet. There is no other way to
But that's what no end date also means, in 99% cases where there's start
date and no end date. Let's see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30#P35 -
does it say
What about people who were born in the 18th-century? We know they are dead,
but their death is not recorded and we only know when they were last
active. How do you set that end date?
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi!
Actually I think that
Hoi,
There are two ways of doing that.. You can assume given average age and
date of birth in what century someone died. This is something you can
specify or you can state that the date of death as unknown. Now that IS a
valid way of doing this. However it does not mean that 17th centrury people
Hoi,
It would make sense to have a bot run and add dates of novalue for dob dod
where we know that people must be dead.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 26 April 2015 at 08:54, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
There are two ways of doing that.. You can assume given average age and
Hi!
It would make sense to have a bot run and add dates of novalue for dob
dod where we know that people must be dead.
That would actually be opposite of what we want, since novalue would
mean they were not born and are not dead. I think you meant unknown
for date of death, in which case it
Could you not add the last active date as a qualifier to the somevalue
death date?
In general uncertainty in dates are not so easily entered. Born 1969 or
1970 cannot be entered as 1969 with uncertainty decade since that becomes
1960s (at least that is what is shown to readers) so the only legit
On 26.04.2015 22:16, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
I regularly query for for instance claim[31] ie any instance of
whatever... I would also query for the existence of a date of death in a
similar way. for me a claim with a whatever it is that says that there
is no value would be a positive result
On 26.04.2015 22:28, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
It is a matter of perspective. From my perspective a value exists or
not. Depending on that I may want to process. When you state novalue
there is a value of novalue and that is not the same as there not being
a value in the first place.
Ah, I
Hoi,
I regularly query for for instance claim[31] ie any instance of whatever...
I would also query for the existence of a date of death in a similar way.
for me a claim with a whatever it is that says that there is no value
would be a positive result and I would not consider it for any
Hoi,
It is a matter of perspective. From my perspective a value exists or not.
Depending on that I may want to process. When you state novalue there is a
value of novalue and that is not the same as there not being a value in the
first place.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 26 April 2015 at 22:25, Markus
Hoi,
As you know I am not a fan at all about these special values. I can follow
logic but do not need to agree.
When novalue is not to be seen as a value. What is the point.. The point
is to state there is no value right ? .. and that makes it of value. Right
ahum, I admit it is confusing but is
Quick reply to Denny and Gerard:
@Denny: I think it makes sense to treat qualifiers under a closed-world
semantics. That is: what is not there can safely be assumed to be false.
In this I agree with Gerard. OTOH, I don't think it hurts very much to
add them anyway.
@Gerard: Please note that
Actually I think that having no value for the end date qualifier probably
means that it has not ended yet. There is no other way to express whether
this information is currently merely incomplete (i.e. it has ended, but no
one bothered to fill it in) or not (i.e. it has not ended yet). This is
Hoi,
When someone bothers to add a qualifier, it is most likely that it will be
done completely and well. It is NOT something that is automated. So a date
missing means exactly that. There is no known end date.
This notion that no value has value is fine except that it prevents tools
that rely on
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