[WSG] Unexpected underlines and div wierdness in FF and NS

2005-04-07 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
Here's the link to look at: http://www.x7m.us/_clients/sheavens/development/accommodations/standard_gallery.htm What's happening is that I'm getting unexpected text decoration throughout the page (and, of course the entire site) in FF and Netscape. Case in point on this page is the "Home,

[WSG] Suzanne Vening/ITS/statemsus is out of the office.

2005-04-07 Thread Suzanne . Vening
I will be out of the office starting 04/06/2005 and will not return until 04/11/2005. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list

Re: [WSG] Unexpected underlines and div wierdness in FF and NS

2005-04-07 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day What I don't understand is, why are just a few of the links showing up underlined within the UL? If I've screwed up my targeting (or whatever I've done) shouldn't all links with in a UL pickup my error? Visited links??? #navBar ul li a:link { text-decoration: none; color: Black; }

RE: [WSG] how to use external fonts with css?

2005-04-07 Thread Miles Tillinger
I can't remember for sure, but I think font embedding is an IE only thing... IMHO it's for the best anyway coz I'd hate to try and read a page of content written in some crazy Matrix font or similar! Regards, Miles. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

[WSG] A form within a form

2005-04-07 Thread Charla
Hi Does anybody know how to sumbit the inner form, if you have a form within a form on the same page and you only want to submit the inner one..how do you do this? Any ideas Charla Nicol Web Developer ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] A form within a form

2005-04-07 Thread Scott Swabey \(Lafinboy Productions\)
Hi Charla AFAIK you are not permitted to nest forms. Regards Scott Swabey General Manager Lafinboy Productions :: website design :: website development :: graphic design e [EMAIL PROTECTED] t +61 (0)415 193 126 w www.lafinboy.com -Original

Re: [WSG] A form within a form

2005-04-07 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
I always thought a form was not able to be placed in a form. Can you explain what you're attempting to do? Are you sure you're not just wanting to have two submit buttons within the one form? Charla wrote: Hi Does anybody know how to sumbit the inner form, if you have a form within a form on

[WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
We just 'soft launched' a new website, http://www.wirelessforum.org.nz, so that we can gather a final set of feedback and changes for a Monday meeting to see the project finished next week. The entire site is XHTML 1.1, CSS2, WCAG-AAA compliant, and makes good use of semantic markup, e.g. no

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 4/7/05 12:53 AM Sigurd Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: We just 'soft launched' a new website, http://www.wirelessforum.org.nz, so that we can gather a final set of feedback and changes for a Monday meeting to see the project finished next week. The entire site is XHTML 1.1,

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 4/7/05 12:53 AM Sigurd Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: We just 'soft launched' a new website, http://www.wirelessforum.org.nz, so that we can gather a final set of feedback and changes for a Monday meeting to see the project finished next week. One other thing is that I'd put

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Charla
This site looks awesome...jus noticed dnt kno if you have but on the home page in FF mozilla.. in the "coming up" boxes the text doe not fix...the date in particular Rick Faaberg wrote: On 4/7/05 12:53 AM "Sigurd Magnusson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: We just 'soft

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
Charla, Rick, Cheers for the nice feedback ;) Yeah what you mention with the dates overlapping the border was what I perhaps ambigiously descriped in my email as: "NB: The two lines of *homepage event titles* currently don't fit, but we're going to get some new taller backgroung images here

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Lennart Fylling
Rick Faaberg wrote: On 4/7/05 12:53 AM Sigurd Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: We just 'soft launched' a new website, http://www.wirelessforum.org.nz, so that we can gather a final set of feedback and changes for a Monday meeting to see the project finished next week. The entire site is

Re: [WSG] Styling the legend tag in a fieldset - solution

2005-04-07 Thread Kornel Lesinski
http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/InForm/fieldset.htm : would you say that there is no way to style a legend so that it is not ON the border of the fieldset? I've just made a hack for IE: fieldset {background: red; position: relative;} legend {position: absolute; top: -0.6em; left: 0;}

RE: [WSG] Styling the legend tag in a fieldset

2005-04-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
Phil Baines would you say that there is no way to style a legend so that it is not ON the border of the fieldset? It looks like The Man in Blue used a H3. There must be a way of styling Legends like this. Legends are the most fickle form elements to style consistently across browsers.

[WSG] wirelessforum.org.nz --- on a mobile device?

2005-04-07 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
Oops--something I forgot to ask, is what does this website look like on a mobile device that supports HTML? I browsed around it with an Ericsson P900 and it was quite acceptable (for a similar effect, use FireFox with images and styles disabled and about 300px window width). However, I am not

[WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread C Slack
Hi, I am struggling to get to grips with designing with web standards and one of the problems I am having is with reading style sheets. Having sorted out the html code to make it more readable and modifiable it seems that we have shifted the mess to style sheets. Many of the sheets I look at

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Piero Fissore
I think it's a very intresting question! :) We always talk about clear coding in xhtml, but which is the best way to write a css? I think this could be a starting point discussion.

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Jacobus van Niekerk
I normally write my css to follow the structure of the xhtml: /* Main layout*/ ... ... /* Nav */ ... ... /* Sub nav */ ... ... /* Content */ ... ... /* Side Content */ ... ... /* Footer */ ... ... I also tend to split my css in different files. structure.css - keep all structure css

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Piero Fissore
And what about the properties order? Generally I use to do something like this: a { font:1em sans-serif; color:#333; font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none; margin:1em; padding:0.5em; background:#ddd; border-bottom:1px solid #ccc; } First I set the font and text properties, than the

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
C Slack Having sorted out the html code to make it more readable and modifiable it seems that we have shifted the mess to style sheets. Many of the sheets I look at are long, comment-less and very difficult to understand. So that I don't fall into the same trap, can anyone recommend

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Jeremy Keith
Jacobus wrote: I also tend to split my css in different files. structure.css - keep all structure css Text.css - all text related formatting Small.css - used in style switcher to set text to small Medium.css - used in style switcher to set text to medium Large.css - used in style switcher to set

Re: [WSG] how to use external fonts with css?

2005-04-07 Thread Martin Heiden
Hi! Am Mittwoch, 6. April 2005 um 16:31:09 haben Sie geschrieben: to I will wish to use external fonts (noncommon to pcs, obtained through to server by the pagina Web) for my designs with css, somebody knows like to doing it? If you just need it for headings or smaller paragraphs, this may be a

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread C Slack
Thanks Patrick and others. For the record I think that the Malarkey URL you refer to is: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/stylesheet_ordering.html It has given me lots of things to think about. Regards, Charlie Patrick Lauke wrote: C Slack Having sorted out the html code to make

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Ricci Angela
Hi! I always do the same: I group styles of the same nature, beggining by redefining default values where it is needed, and then by page structure, main blocks, navigation, forms, etc. And I always keep the same sequency for each definition (first positionning, dimensions,

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:33:58 +0100, C Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I group and sort properties in rule like this: selector { positioning; floats; width; height; margin; padding; border; color; background; text-; font-; } For programming languages I prefer Allman style of

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:44:52 +0100, Piero Fissore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #menu { width: [$menuwidth-$menupadding-2*5px]; padding: $menupadding; border: 5px solid red; } Mmm, cool! But does it really help you? During development - a lot. I usually put menu after content in document - this

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Townson, Chris
This is a very interesting topic. As someone who has to write CSS for others (both colleagues in the development team and others who know very little about CSS), I have started to adopt a pseudo-object-oriented approach to writing stylesheets. First, I split the pages I have to code into smaller,

Re: [WSG] how to use external fonts with css?

2005-04-07 Thread Jan Brasna
http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr or http://alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/ -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Hugues Brunelle
Hi Charlie, I know what you mean, I did many redesign stuff and find out that I wasn't able to understand my own css file (that was awful). You can see a sample at http://www.echo3d.com/css/screen.css It looks complex but if you pay attention, you'll see that everything is in order. Here is some

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Martin Heiden
Hi! I split the rules into different files: general.css layout.css elements.css In these files I try to use container centric selectors. That means: if the XHTML is structured like this: div id=container1 div id=container2 div id=container3 p/p /div

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:22:04 +0200, Martin Heiden wrote: I split the rules into different files: general.css layout.css elements.css Are you seeing much overhead in load time? I've put off doing the same for that reason. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems -

Re: [WSG] Unexpected underlines and div wierdness in FF and NS

2005-04-07 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
Boy, do I feel like an idiot. Thanks Bert for being my seeing-eye dog. Cole - Original Message - From: Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Unexpected underlines and div wierdness in FF and NS G'day

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Mike Foskett
Hmm interesting. There is no right or wrong way to do these as far as I'm aware. I use one definition per line, in a standard order (ish), all in short form. I find it easier to scan down the page for class or id, then across for the property and value. Currently I'm thinking of separating

Re[2]: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Martin Heiden
Lea, Am Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 um 15:01:34 haben Sie geschrieben: LdG On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:22:04 +0200, Martin Heiden wrote: I split the rules into different files: general.css layout.css elements.css LdG Are you seeing much overhead in load time? LdG I've put off doing the

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Hugues Brunelle
Yes you're right, it it just because I'm always changing my declarations so I let them on the long formulation :) I know that soon I'll have to simplified these declarations. Hugues -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kornel Lesinski Sent:

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:41:55 -0500, Hugues Brunelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you're right, it it just because I'm always changing my declarations so I let them on the long formulation :) I know that soon I'll have to simplified these declarations. Hugues [...] border-top-width: 0px;

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Dave Elkan
To add to readability of your css you should also consider the layout of the individual css rules as well as their organisation/categorisation. Using typical whitespacing that applies to most coding standards you can come up with the usual layout: .className { property: propertyValue;

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Jan Brasna
Just your introduction of the site overwhelmed me :) Good job, most of the things were already said, however there is one thing I really dislike - the compression of the header. You should divide the parts, and combine JPG and GIF/PNG while using them for suitable parts of it... -- Jan Brasna

Re: [WSG] wirelessforum.org.nz --- on a mobile device?

2005-04-07 Thread Jan Brasna
It's unstyled and without pictures on Nokia 6230; if it is intention, then it's great (this phone screws the page a lot if it comes to applying CSS) so the site is really usable on it. Also nice in Mobile Opera on Siemens SX1. More info on topic: HTMLDog | HTML and CSS for Mobiles:

Re: [WSG] Access Key question

2005-04-07 Thread Albert Gedraitis
But if Tee were using an ideographic writing system for one or more of Chinese sites or any other targeted use of his access keys, then he's not working with the limits of 26 alphabetic characters, nor the sum total of punction and other signs, nor both of these with the decimal numerics 0-9. He

[WSG] usage of new entities in dtd's

2005-04-07 Thread Alan Trick
I'm just curious if any popular browser would display this page properly http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/html-is-an-sgml-dtd.html I though Moz would, but it disapointed me. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] how to use external fonts with css?

2005-04-07 Thread Alan Trick
Hi, From what I can tell, there's no reall way embed fonts, apart from image or flash replacement. All we have is the Microsoft propriety-ware and something that was released by Bitstream but abandoned because Bitstream would not open-source it. Too bad. Alan Trick tomcask o_o wrote: I will

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:26:50 +0100, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:55:52 +0100, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: border: 0; border-bottom: 0.1em dotted #781B11; Property redefined. That's correct. The shorthand property border already defines

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:06:32 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted. Is there any browser software will not render the shortest declaration? http://www.dlaakso.com/border.html Best, David Both look the same-Opera 7.54u2 Mac... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic

Re: [WSG] usage of new entities in dtd's

2005-04-07 Thread Alan Trick
Tom Livingston wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:41:16 -0400, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just curious if any popular browser would display this page properly http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/html-is-an-sgml-dtd.html I though Moz would, but it disapointed me.

Re: [WSG] usage of new entities in dtd's

2005-04-07 Thread Tom Livingston
you should not see: |But; your; fine; browser; does; n0t; care;| or the |]| at the top Opera 7.54u2 screenie attached... oh well... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Picture 1.pdf Description:

Re: [WSG] Site review

2005-04-07 Thread Alan Trick
Neerav wrote: Looks nice, wish I could afford it :-) The only 2 small problems I see are caused by the standard text size being too small, so I choose medium size text (in Firefox 1.0 Win 2000 1024x768) and: 1. Making your African Dreams a Reality! is overlapped by Lodges Hotels 2. Terms

Re: [WSG] usage of new entities in dtd's

2005-04-07 Thread liorean
On Apr 7, 2005 8:41 PM, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just curious if any popular browser would display this page properly http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/html-is-an-sgml-dtd.html I though Moz would, but it disapointed me. I thought it was common knowledge that no browser in common

Re: [WSG] Styling the legend tag in a fieldset

2005-04-07 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Phil Baines wrote: http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/InForm/fieldset.htm : would you say that there is no way to style a legend so that it is not ON the border of the fieldset? It looks like The Man in Blue used a H3. There must be a way of styling Legends like this. G'day Phil, if you read

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Paul Novitski
It's fascinating to see so many CSS styling standards. What makes perfect sense to one person can be nonsensical to the next. Clearly what makes styling work for any author is consistency and thoughtful logic -- even if that logic is idiosyncratic. Here's what I do: Any given page can have

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Earle Castledine
Im also interested in this As I'm a programmer I had started laying out my css like code, so that id have: #nav{} #nav p{} #nav ul{} #nav ul li{} Which to me made sense and was nice and clear. But the problem was that things are not related 1 to 1... the #nav ul li{} may

[WSG] IT Job Search Engine

2005-04-07 Thread Tony Budak
Zudora.com today launched an IT job search engine http://www.zudora.com that combines over 20,000 new IT jobs daily from a wide range of employment web sites across the USA. The new search engine provides users with an ability to search for IT related jobs within specific States. -- Cheers and

Re: [WSG] margin:auto not working on MAC

2005-04-07 Thread John Horner
Hi, Have a page that seems to be lining up fine everywhere I am checking ( Opera, Firefox, IE ), validates fine but is a little off on a MAC I'm going to do this every time someone posts a generalised on a Mac question... ***Please tell us which browser you're referring to.*** It just doesn't

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Focas, Grant
Another thing to consider is whether other people have to read your CSS. If working in groups (or still learning) its best to minimise redundancy. see http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/01/20/redundancy_v/ cheers, Grant Having sorted out the html code to make it more readable and

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread diona kidd
I'm also from a programming background. Lately I've been working to try to take advantage of the inheritance in CSS. So, I start with a base.css (or global.css) and as the CSS grows, I break out portions specific to a portion of the interface out into seperate files. For instance, start with

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Carol Doersom
Sigurd Magnusson wrote: We just 'soft launched' a new website, http://www.wirelessforum.org.nz, snip so if anyone can point out things in our markup or CSS to make it even more bullet proof, or find any holes, that would be fantastic snip Siggy, Try increasing the text sizein FF one size

[WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-07 Thread John Horner
I was recently talking to someone who'd validated their CSS and got an error for display:inline-block. He was using the W3 validator, and it was telling him it was invalid, and it is of course, for CSS 1 and 2. If you used the advanced options and validated against the CSS 3 standard, it was

Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-07 Thread Ryan
That is a good point, there should be a DOCTYPE identifier for CSS, that would make it a lot easier to validate and everything. -- Ryan On 4/7/05 8:08 PM, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was recently talking to someone who'd validated their CSS and got an error for

Re: [WSG] Comments on new wirelessforum.org.nz site?

2005-04-07 Thread Felix Miata
Sigurd Magnusson wrote: We just 'soft launched' a new website, http://www.wirelessforum.org.nz, so that we can gather a final set of feedback and changes for a Monday meeting to see the project finished next week. By the time I zoom the news items big enough to see in Firefox, half the page