Re: [WSG] o 0

is rounder than 0, but if you don't have one of each to compare, it can be very hit-and-miss. I'm sure there must be many other situations on and off the web where usability is impaired in this way. -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http

Re: [WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

, with no need to touch the menu - useful if you're using includes for the menu. Al's method involves adding the id to the menu itself. It is your call, whatever works best for you. (You can get either to work with your particular menu.) HTH, -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http

[WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

in its own table row, because then I can't keep the list. Or do I need to actually type into the content the list numbering (instead of using an ol) just to get the same visual effect? :-\ -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

/resources/tables.cfm#very , as it demonstrates that accessible tables needn't be meagre and can, in fact, contain quite a lot of structured information. Thanks Joshua, a great resource! But unfortunately those pages don't discuss lists in tables at all. :-( -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

it should be a data table. At the moment it's a layout table pretending to be a data table but there is a direct relationship between the data in each column and the column headers are, IMHO, necessary. Thanks for your reply... it makes it easier! -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

Hi Lea, I am very relieved to have now got the point that the numbering should be part of the content. Doesn't that make (my) life so much simpler? :-D Thanks for taking the time to help. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http

Re: [WSG] Perth Meetups

both) if you want further information. (That way we can keep such discussions off the list so that the 2000 subscribers who are not in Perth aren't unnecessarily annoyed.) It will be nice to meet you there. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http

Re: [WSG] XHTML as text/html what Tantek said.

. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints

Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards

and Jesse Rodgers Dreamweaver Task Force members so they can continue working with MM on the standards issue. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list

[WSG] simplyaccessible.org

on the behalf of those who can, means the world to those who can't. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid

, and that certainly can be done with CSS. The second project in Eric Meyer's More Eric Meyer on CSS uses a CSS to style a photo collection in a grid pattern. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

getting out there amongst people who are in a position to change things is one potentially effective method. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space

/index.htm Like all PVII offerings, it works in all modern browsers. HTH, -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space

wrong with Javascript that I can see, as long as the site degrades gracefully without it. But to each their own. :-) Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com

Re: [WSG] Text Size Statistics

Hope Stewart wrote: Safari gives you the option of adding text-resize icons to tool bar. Win/IE does too, at least IE6 does... I used to have it there in my PC days. :-) I agree this seems like a good way to let people know this function is available. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

. -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

Patrick Lauke wrote: I'd say not *after* the link, but *as part of* the link. If a user is tabbing between links, they will not get to the text after the link itself. Good point, Patrick! Thanks. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http

[WSG] cross-cultural (Asia/US) usability differences

(in the background as opposed to multimedia content) where possible? To clarify, I am not saying perhaps we should give attention to visual communication to the exclusion of actual content, but in addition to...? What have others found, regarding usability across cultures? -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http

Re: [WSG] Accessibility, the possibilities

Might be a propagation thing. Try http://69.93.55.164/ for the new site. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG CORE] RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

in terminology.) Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

RE: Politically Correct Terminology (was RE: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/)

on an international or multicultural site, an explanation of why certain terminology was used might be appropriate given the strong objections some sectors can evidently have about what they are called. -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

but don't want to offend anyone!) Just my 2 cents plus GST! Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] drop down menus - long

as a user... Large sites without dropdowns/flyouts can certainly allow users to go from A to B easily. But they don't always. (Or better yet make a sitemap page :) Site maps *shouldn't* be an or. :-) (My own sites are in dire need of updating in this regard!) Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry

Re: [WSG] background images fluid

I've understood what you were asking. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting

Re: [WSG] footer technique

Looks perfect to me in Safari 2.0, OS 10.4.2. Vicki. :-) Kay Smoljak wrote: Could someone with a Mac please check the test page? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

We all do, really. I am at home, and don't have the research here, but current statistics show that 97.4% of all devices accessing web content are running on Windows. Every one of these machines has IE on it. Really, are we mad to develop for anything else? Discuss. I realise you said

Re: [WSG] Page structure - navigation

Rick Faaberg wrote: Is there something wrong with go to whatever section? It's been said that go to could imply to someone using a screen reader that the link will take them to another page. You might prefer to say Go to ... on this page. Joe Clark had an entry in Axxlog a while back

Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

Like most dial-up users who do have Flash installed, I don't want to *ever* sit (and sit, and sit, and sit) through a Flash intro and want to be able to clearly see the link that says to skip it - please don't hide it behind the Flash movie! Best not to take usability choices away from

Re: [WSG] DHTML scrolling list in css

ole div scrolls right off the page, anyone use, see anything like this before ? I am looking around the net and not having any luck finding a work around. Thanks, Paul Hi, Can you send me a valid URL to see what is wrong with your scroller? Be

[WSG] Sound without Plug-in/HTML Sound?

Can we add sound without using a plug-in and still being compatible with the different browsers? Thanks in advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Where is my navbar?

, in this case you will maybe have to give a left and top position. Regards Berry I am stumped. I have a CSS Drop Menu navigation on the following page - I can see it in FF but not in IE. My page validates. My css validates. I can't see where my error is... http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client

RE: [WSG] Where is my navbar?

and top position the sub-menu will probably take the right place. Why don't you position your menu in a absolute position. This way problem will be probably solved ? Berry Berry, Thank you - that did get it to appear - now, however the submenus are not showing up in the right areas in IE (pc

Re: [WSG] Annoying Gap in IE

I have the same problem with netscape 7.0 on mac. The problem is your first p /p in the sidebar. Take of the p /p of the first item and all all the item will take the correct place. In the sidebar take of the padding and add padding-top:10px; I hope this will help you Berry

Re: [WSG] Annoying Gap in IE

Sorry, I just noticed that your problem was not exactly the same of mine on Netscape but what I am sure is that the p is the problem. Try what I did with Netscape maybe it will work on IE . Berry I have the same problem with netscape 7.0 on mac. The problem is your first p /p in the sidebar

[WSG] iframe and HTML 401 strict.

/iframe /div Thanks in advance for the information Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

[WSG] Please Check Menu / PC user

in advance for the information. Regards Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

Re: [WSG] Please Check Menu / PC user

to enlarge windows. The design will be always a the good size. Regards Berry On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:43:51 -0500, berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I create two menus, one using px and one using pt. I would like to know if there is a difference in IE 5.5 , IE 6 and Opera7 between the two

Re: [WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

less was more and worse was better and start using technologies the right way to give us the opportunity to change the web's look. Regards Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] The Relative Position story and the browser Incompatibility

. To my opinion Microsoft has the right attitude. Margin is Margin. In the past when I was working with QuarKXpress setting margin I hadn't to take in consideration if the margin collapse or not. Why all this fuss just for having headhache? Regards Berry On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:58:34 -0500, berry

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

list) since that I have no problem of compatibility. Besides that I discover recently that w3c like to give us headhache witch collapsing margin and for that Microsoft is right margin is margin. Berry ** The discussion list for http

[WSG] The Relative Position story and the browser Incompatibility

is that the margin don't dependent of their parents margin isn't it? (Taking off position relative change nothing). Then what will we do if we start to manage complex pages? The browsers are still giving us headhache. Berry style type=text/css #XOObjet0 { background-color: rgb(204,204,204

[WSG] NEED HELP PLEASE !

call it. I know that for the Java DOM there is object.setEvent(onclick, abc(this) ) would someone have an Idea Thanks in advance happy hollidays Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] NEED HELP PLEASE !

and the creatEvent doesn't write the event it is more like a punctual event. I hope I succeeded to make myself understand. The script of your page is not a IE script is a standard script expect for the declaration of the variable. Berry You needed to search further: (searched Google

[WSG] W3C what are they doing ?

seems to be interested to discuss about that. Maybe it was not so signifiant (my english is not that good and this makes it difficult to explain all my ideas) or maybe people are more and more afraid of changements and prefer to follow the rules with-out asking if we are taking the right way. Berry

Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search

the border . For the link it is quite the same but the programmer uses dragSource a javascript function which gives you the possibilities to drag and drop html Links. If you know well javascript it is quite easy to do it . Berry

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

Hi Kay et al, Coming in late here. I couldn't find the original post so am not quite clear about the new common badging apparently to be released? Will that change the Office of the E-Govt design guidelines which say at http://www.egov.dpc.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=guidelines.design

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

Natalie Buxton wrote: Why do organisations (be they private or public) continue to blame a CMS for things like poor validity and accessibility? Choosing a CMS that comforms the the requirements of well-formed valid (X)HTML and CSS, as well as good usability and accessibility should surely be

Re: [WSG] iframe 100%

of the iframe. Call the script on onload this way the size of the iframe will follow the size of it's content. Berry Do you know a good way to get iframe inside messy table-based layout to stretch to 100% available height? In IE it is as simple as iframe height=100%, but Opera is very

[WSG] Changing Standard

) In a world of communication, communicate only by typing and reading text without sound, video and animation seems for me paradoxical. Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] Changing Standard

I don't understand why w3c in XHTML 2.0 replace the br by line/line or something similar. Why not using span /span instead. Why use span /span? The linebreak element cannot contain data. In XHTML 1.1 the tag is the self-closing br / It's wrong in XHTML2 br have change for line/line

[WSG] Changing Standard part2 !!!

://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;147246581;fp;16;fpid;0 Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

RE: [WSG] Changing Standard

), this element remains for explicit markup of links, though is otherwise identical in semantics to the span element. Berry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Brown Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2004 2:27 PM To: berry Subject: Re: [WSG] Changing Standard

[WSG] Is it Standard ?

Hi, I would like to know if I can insert image into list ? I have used this method by the past but in an article I read that it was not standard? w3 say nothing about that ? And you what do you think? Thanks in advance Berry

Re: [WSG] What's right

; } Berry Hello - As I playing with my blog the other day, I came accross this type of thing. I'm curious which of these two examples is more correct. In both cases, the intent is to replace a text header link with a clickable background image. (stripped down a bit too) HTML: div id=headera href

Re: [WSG] charater sets

be explain in few lines! In our world there is too much informations and W3 have to think to reorganize it site in two parts 1 for users and programmers 2 for advance information on computer science. Sometimes moving in the W3C site give headaches. Regards Berry Kornel LesiÒski wrote In UTF-8

[WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard

for keeping our accent in our HTML page? and if I am wrong can someone told why I can not see my accent on my page when I use UTF-8 charset ? Thanks in advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard

Yes I am able to see it in my browser maybe the server is set to render the accent, if not how come I am not able to see the same thing with my page? I would be surprise, if we have to use XHTML to have accent ? My Page use HTML4.1 strict. Thanks in advance Berry Hi Berry, Here

Re: [WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard

for each accent when I use UFT-8? It say that UFT-8 doesn't recognize this kind of character (french character) Thank you in Advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] CSS Footer

Hi Lawrence, I've found there's no ideal solution to this. Seems you have to sacrifice a browser or two whichever way you choose to go - up to you to choose the lesser of the evils! A few examples of the various solutions and how to implement them are on the CSS-Discuss email list wiki:

Re: [WSG] CSS Footer

LOL. yes, in retrospect what I said wasn't *quite* right, was it? Haha. Vicki. :-) Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vicki Berry wrote: Seems you have to sacrifice a browser or two whichever way you choose to go There's no need to sacrifice a browser, just the effect

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

Oh I'm with you there, Andy! I realised after I sent that email that I could have put that better. I agree that the rate you charge is in many ways a reflection of your knowledge and experience, and that knowledge and experience can lead you to put in more effort in some ways. I still think,

[WSG] Text around an image | your opinion

. Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

[WSG] Special Character

to see the right way the special character without having to transform it in the HTML page? Thanks in advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

[WSG] Special Character

to see the right way the special character without having to transform it in the HTML page? Thanks in advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Careers in web standards

My previous employer has advertised for someone to fill my old job and apparently it's not looking hopeful. They want someone who can hit the ground running but I think it really is a case of what Kay was saying - you have to expect to train people. But the job description was based around my

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

I rarely even mention web standards to clients anymore unless they are govt or govt agencies. I agree that as someone paying a builder to build a house for me, I don't need to know the pros and cons of a certain type of mortar - just do the job and do it so it gets me the result I want! My pitch

Re: [WSG] Careers in web standards

idea. That is why, I work this year to create this kind of SoftWare. It will be ready in December. I Hope that it will give the opportunity, even for people who are not still familar with web standard, to create web standard table-less pages. Berry

Re: [WSG] funky padding

The problem is p the p have a margin. You have to set the margin to 0px; Berry Thanks for the response. The 5px padding is only applied to the left and right (at least, that's what happens when viewing). I have no line heights applied to that div, so I'm still not sure what's causing it. I

[WSG] accessible audio-visual content

Hi all, I have a client who wants some audio-visual content on his site. He wants to stream interviews etc like a radio channel - but not live, at this point. There will also be some video clips. (All of these will be downloadable, and not play automatically.) The client represents a local

Re: [WSG] Sliding doors and Mac IE5.2

Hi Kim. :-) Your sliding doors look fine in my MacIE5.2, OSX 10.3.5. The icons in the content area, however, take on a stepped effect (like formatted nested code, for example - as if there's increased indentation before each one for the first three, then goes back to left alignment for the

Re: [WSG] help on this rollover please

Adding float:left to ul.navlist in Firefox fixed it Vicki. :-) Jim wrote: I am having a problem with this sample rollover at http://www.barricksinsurance.com/button.html . It shows up fine with 4 rows across and 4 rows down on IE but it shows 5 rows across on Firefox. Has anybody any

Re: [WSG] Gaps between LI inline elements

Here is a DW extension that strips out the whitespace to solve this issue: http://www.dwfaq.com/store/detail/?id=faqStrpLWS It automatically strips the whitespace, you don't have to do anything once it's installed, though it can also be run manually. And it's free. :-) Vicki. :-) Jim

Re: [WSG] Conflict with javascript dropdown menus and CSS

Hi Kay, I have just joined the group and hope it's ok to just jump in The site looks good! On your sample page, the menu performs well. I'm at work on a PC at the moment (use a Mac at home) and I viewed the page in Firefox, Opera 7 and IE6 and in all cases it drops down not up! Hope this

Re: [WSG] Conflict with javascript dropdown menus and CSS

Hi again, Just one more thing - I was looking at the source code and wondering at the use of all the meta / tags which I haven't seen before - so sent the page to the W3C validator and it picked these tags up as being invalid. There were some other errors too. Whatever problem you are seeing