Felix Miata wrote:
Your mission, should you choose to embrace it, is to convince the
client that maintaining an anachronistic practice is the wrong thing
to do, and that doing the right thing is always the right thing to
do. Maybe this will help whenever that discussion ensues.
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/05/25 17:47 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
What matters is:
[...]
5-that any deviation a designer makes from 100% is
arbitrary, as it's made from an entirely unknown starting point
100% of the visitor's choice equals respect for the
I spent some time carousing through various sites and email lists and ended
up trying to pull together some of the disparate techniques, arguments, and
references about page font sizing into a single document. Because this
message grew to an unwieldy size, I've divided it up into 5 sections:
1.
I size fonts in percentage or em, on a base-font in percentage - 100% on html,
usually.
Here's an excellent article for reference:
http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_13.html
(thanks, George).
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There is one issue that will always cause conjecture and arguments with font
sizes and hasn't been raised. Australian, New Zealand, UK and European
default printed font size when word processing is 12 pt Times New Roman
whilst the US uses 10 pt Times New Roman, so they are used to smaller text
On 2007/05/28 02:43 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
Here are a list of some example sites that apply a percentage to their body
font-size. These sites were selected because of their popularity, or their
interest in web accessibility and CSS design issues.
Here's a longer list (not
On 2007/05/28 20:14 (GMT+1000) Steve Olive apparently typed:
sizes and hasn't been raised. Australian, New Zealand, UK and European
default printed font size when word processing is 12 pt Times New Roman
whilst the US uses 10 pt Times New Roman,
Where did this statistic come from?
so they
On 2007/05/28 02:44 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Your mission, should you choose to embrace it, is to convince the
client that maintaining an anachronistic practice is the wrong thing
to do, and that doing the right thing is always the right thing to
do. Maybe
On 2007/05/28 02:43 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
1. Use Percentage on body font-size, then apply ems on the rest
Owen Briggs
The Noodle Incident - Sane CSS Sizes
http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/typography/
This is the method of undersizing that is least visitor
Felix Miata wrote:
BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/d/
body {font-size: 62.5%}
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ was recently overhauled. It used to be 13px.
Here's a look at before: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/bbcSS.html
Ooops. My mistake, your screenshots are right. The BBC news site uses the
same
On 2007/05/28 02:44 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
I included the 2nd link to the Briggs article because I thought that perhaps
the first link might not have been understood since it went directly to the
a page of Briggs's images. I realize that you have spent
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/05/28 02:43 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
1. Use Percentage on body font-size, then apply ems on the rest
Owen Briggs
The Noodle Incident - Sane CSS Sizes
http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/typography/
This is the method of undersizing that is
Philip Kiff wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/d/
body {font-size: 62.5%}
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ was recently overhauled. It used to be 13px.
Here's a look at before: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/bbcSS.html
Compare:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
body {font-size: 62.5%}
On 2007/05/25 17:47 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
What matters is:
[...]
5-that any deviation a designer makes from 100% is
arbitrary, as it's made from an entirely unknown starting point
100% of the visitor's choice equals respect for the visitor.
I'm not
Felix Miata wrote:
Because no designer knows the real world starting point outside his local
world, any deviation from 100% is inherently arbitrary.
OTOH, the 100% Easy-2-Read Standard is a standard worthy of embracing to
the fullest. http://www.informationarchitects.jp/100e2r?v=4
Though I
On 2007/05/27 23:33 (GMT+0100) Patrick H. Lauke apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Because no designer knows the real world starting point outside his local
world, any deviation from 100% is inherently arbitrary.
OTOH, the 100% Easy-2-Read Standard is a standard worthy of embracing to
On 2007/05/25 17:54 (GMT-0700) Paul Novitski apparently typed:
At 5/25/2007 03:10 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:
not all designers set
body font size to 62.5% when creating websites. It's enough to start
at 100% and set nested containers to fractions of that... just do the
math starting off from
Christian Montoya wrote:
I hate to make a quick reply to a long post, but not all designers set
body font size to 62.5% when creating websites. It's enough to start
at 100% and set nested containers to fractions of that... just do the
math starting off from 16px. The point that Felix is making
At 5/27/2007 07:44 PM, Andrew Cunningham wrote:
The practice of setting body font size to 62.5% has some very
interesting assumptions built in. Any style sheet designed using
this supposition would be inappropriate for a fully internationalised site.
Please elaborate on this point. Is your
Paul Novitski wrote:
At 5/27/2007 07:44 PM, Andrew Cunningham wrote:
The practice of setting body font size to 62.5% has some very
interesting assumptions built in. Any style sheet designed using this
supposition would be inappropriate for a fully internationalised site.
Please elaborate on
Thnx for the suggestion..but i need to define the font size in the body
itself
I've defined 75% which works well in IE6..but it appears smaller in IE6
-Sagnik
On 5/25/07, Kane Tapping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi ,
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start. this
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Thnx for the suggestion..but i need to define the font size in the body
itself
I've defined 75% which works well in IE6..but it appears smaller in
IE6
-Sagnik
On 5/25/07
On 2007/05/25 15:24 (GMT+0930) Katrina apparently typed:
Sagnik Dey wrote:
I'm developing a website that have some standards defined. The font size
specified is 9pt. But due to accessibility standards I wanted to convert
that in % or em. Can anybody tell what do i need to use to view the
On 2007/05/25 15:31 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently typed:
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start.
Actually it's a bad start, arbitrarily assuming that there's something wrong
with the user's choice of default, and reducing it by some arbitrary amount,
even though you
On 25/05/07, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you should respect your users' default. Make sure the design
scales properly when text size is increased, beyond what MIE allows you
to do.
I disagree a little here, about user defaults. Yes you should respect them,
but not by using 100%
On 25/05/07, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007/05/25 15:31 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently typed:
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start.
Actually it's a bad start, arbitrarily assuming that there's something wrong
with the user's choice of default, and
At 5/25/2007 12:15 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/05/25 15:31 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently typed:
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start.
Actually it's a bad start, arbitrarily assuming that there's something wrong
with the user's choice of default, and reducing it
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On 2007/05/25 15:31 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently typed:
Setting the body to font size to 65
as they see fit.
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On 2007/05/25 15:31 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently
On 2007/05/25 08:45 (GMT+0100) Stephen Kelly apparently typed:
On 25/05/07, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007/05/25 15:31 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently typed:
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start.
Actually it's a bad start, arbitrarily assuming that
On 2007/05/25 15:24 (GMT+0800) Nick Cowie apparently typed:
1em = 100% = 16px = 16pt (yes 1px = 1pt for the screen) in all PC based
browsers since 2000
This statement would be technically incorrect even if sic s/16pt/12pt/.
s/16pt/12pt/ because the majority of systems are running a nominal
On 2007/05/25 15:24 (GMT+0800) Nick Cowie apparently typed:
1em = 100% = 16px = 16pt (yes 1px = 1pt for the screen) in all PC based
browsers since 2000
Not true. On high resolution displays (widescreen laptops, for
example) that use 120 dpi instead of the standard, classic 96 dpi and
use
On 2007/05/25 00:58 (GMT-0700) Paul Novitski apparently typed:
At 5/25/2007 12:15 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/05/25 15:31 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently typed:
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start.
Actually it's a bad start, arbitrarily assuming that there's
On 2007/05/25 18:07 (GMT+1000) Kane Tapping apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
arbitrarily assuming that there's something wrong with the user's choice
of default ...
I guess we also shouldnt be second guessing our users choice of font,
weight, spacing, color ... positioning ?
Those
On 2007/05/25 00:58 (GMT-0700) Paul Novitski apparently typed:
In my efforts to build zoomable layouts [max-width at window width]
I've found it convenient to declare a body font-size of 62.5%
At 5/25/2007 10:16 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
The Clagnutt 62.5% scourge or bane of user
Felix Miata wrote:
What matters is:
[...]
5-that any deviation a designer makes from 100% is
arbitrary, as it's made from an entirely unknown starting point
100% of the visitor's choice equals respect for the visitor.
I'm not really convinced that this is an issue of respect for the users
On 5/25/07, Philip Kiff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
What matters is:
[...]
5-that any deviation a designer makes from 100% is
arbitrary, as it's made from an entirely unknown starting point
100% of the visitor's choice equals respect for the visitor.
I'm not really
At 5/25/2007 03:10 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:
I hate to make a quick reply to a long post, but not all designers set
body font size to 62.5% when creating websites. It's enough to start
at 100% and set nested containers to fractions of that... just do the
math starting off from 16px. The point
On 5/25/07, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 5/25/2007 03:10 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:
I hate to make a quick reply to a long post, but not all designers set
body font size to 62.5% when creating websites. It's enough to start
at 100% and set nested containers to fractions of that...
At 5/25/2007 03:10 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:
The point that Felix is making is that
setting the body to something small like 62.5% is very destructive,
since user stylesheets and user settings usually just override the
body rule (and ruin all your specific rules).
On 5/25/07, Paul
On Fri, 25 May 2007 10:48:29 +0530, Sagnik Dey wrote:
Hi Guys,
I'm developing a website that have some standards defined. The font size
specified is
9pt. But due to accessibility standards I wanted to convert that in % or em.
Can
anybody tell what do i need to use to view the same size
On May 26, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Paul Novitski wrote:
Do you mean no elegant way to scale them in a user stylesheet or no
elegant way to scale them in real time, e.g. with a mouse wheel?
I have my minimum font-size set to 12px [1] (Gecko browser), or
sometimes 14px (when I'm tired, and really
Hi ,
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start. this averages
out the differences between the browsers,
body { font-size: 70%;}
From then on set your font sizes in ems.
h1 {font-size: 1.8em;}
And keep in mind that changes to the em size will cascade through
container
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