On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:19:02 +, Ian Fenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Had I been doing it with HTML Transitional or similar, I would have
displayed a second page of results as follows:
ol start=11liFirst result/li
liSecond.../li
...
/ol
Do you have any suggestions as to how I could achieve a
See, I'd say a table or a definition list. I think I'm one of the
very few people who actually supports the loss of the start=
attribute.
An ordered list means there is an order, *not* that there is anything
particular assocated with that order. So, think about it in terms of
set theory, if you
Your problem occurs when you have the border-top: 0; after the border
statement.
Is this a Gecko bug, I wonder?
I doubt it, more likely that border-top:0; is incorrect use of the
shorthand property.
'border-top' is supposed to receive 3 values, border-top-width is what
you would use to set the
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Subject: Re: [WSG] 2 Column Symetrical Stretching Layout?
Hi Drew,
I removed the 45% margin from #right but this still never
This is more of a general standards question, but if you are designing a
page for the public in general (in my case a university) at what point (
% wise _or_ # of browsers) do you say 'Okay this is the site, no more
trying to accommodate obscure browsers/older versions of browsers. ? I
know there
Below is the CSS for a two column layout, modify as you wish but follow the
same basic coding.
Also if you visit A List Apart's web site their are many articles with code
and tutorials for doing most any kind of layout and much more. Also the
W3C.org site has the standards with illustrations
Hi Fred,
thanks for that, ill give it a try soon and let you know how it all
goes. As for the HTML 4.01 comment, i think actual the majority of CSS
developers would use XHTML 1.0, as HTML 4.01 is out dated and has
deprecated elements nowadays, that dont conform with current web
standards. I
G'day
Paul wrote:
This is more of a general standards question, but if you are designing a
page for the public in general (in my case a university) at what point (
% wise _or_ # of browsers) do you say 'Okay this is the site, no more
trying to accommodate obscure browsers/older versions of
Paul wrote:
This is more of a general standards question, but if you are
designing a page for the public in general (in my case a university)
at what point ( % wise _or_ # of browsers) do you say 'Okay this is
the site, no more trying to accommodate obscure browsers/older
versions of browsers.
See, I'd say a table or a definition list. I think I'm one of the
very few people who actually supports the loss of the start=
attribute.
I'd go with Michael, on both points.
Table would be fine, but definition list is probably better.
And the start attribute is bad because the first item in
Title: Message
My bullets are
lining up at the bottom of the li ( see: http://www.speakupnow.ca/wu/audiovideo.php)
?
Is there a property
I can set to align:top ?
Paul
Hi,
Can some direct me in creating a flash replacement content . The idea
is to us css to display the default scroll bar in i-frame type scolling
div. If the flash scrolling text box, with custom sroll bar does not
load or plug-in is diabled.
CK
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Knowing is not
Use Javascript. Insert the content with innerHTML.
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The Bo$$ wrote:
Use Javascript. Insert the content with innerHTML.
How accessible...and semantic! Write valid code, so you pass automated
validators, then use JS to basically mess it up in whatever way you
like? Sorry, but that's hardly the point of web standards, imho.
--
Patrick H. Lauke
Zachary,
The only problems I see on you page is, that you are using redudant tabindex
tags and letters instead of numbers for you accesskeys.
About http://webxact.watchfire.com/ no need to worry!
That is the only tool of all I know and that I do not use.
Stick for automatic evaluations with
Zachary,
Me again. I also do not see your reason using a text-only version. It is
absolutely redudant! You did a too good work, to hang on your page a
text-version.
Also you are using CDATA sections which are not recommended due to poor
browser support (even some newer browsers fail to properly
- I got the link text figured out.It just didn't link my hyperlinks w/
background images not having any link text.
- Redundant tabindex tags? (O.o)?
- What's wrong with letters?
- The meta tags hold keywords, page descriptions, author info, page
rating, time between search bot re-indexing, etc,
- Redundancy is key. I want no one left out, whether they have the
latest and greatest, oldest and moldiest, cell phone, PDA, whatever!
- CDATA is bad? How does it degrade?
- The contact links have been fixed to meet Priority 1 checkpoint 6.3
and Priority 2 checkpoint 10.1.
--Zachary
John
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Zachary,
About Tabindex Tags read here:
http://www.wats.ca/articles/keyboardusageandtabindex/62
About Accesskeys problems using letters read here:
http://www.wats.ca/resources/accesskeysandkeystrokes/38
Sure there are some problems using numbers too, but not as with letters:
While you could just nest the iframe in the object as fallback (is
that valid nesting? Unsure about iframes..), fallback content often
doesn't work due to users having the flash plugin but having flash
content blocked by a browser plugin.
Another way to do it would be to use a flash detection
Zachary,
You are right. As I wrote in my previous mail, I use accesskeys. And mainly
for the reason you mentioned.
PDA, Mobile, etc devices. But I use numbers for accesskeys.
Kind regards,
John S. Britsios
http://www.webnauts.net
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From: Zachary Hopkins [EMAIL
Ian,
Why not switch to XHTML Transitional for the page that you
want to use the start= attribute on?
I outline this technique on my website. You don't have to be
using PHP to do this, you can simply cut and paste the correct
DTD.
http://loadaveragezero.com/vnav/labs/PHP/DOCTYPE.php
Doug
Douglas wrote:
Why not switch to XHTML Transitional for the page that you
want to use the start= attribute on?
Thanks for that, Douglas. Unfortunately my client has accessibility
guidelines that insist the pages are built in XHTML Strict.
All the best,
--
Ian Fenn
Chopstix Media
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:07:39 +1100, Michael Cordover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An ordered list means there is an order, *not* that there is anything
particular assocated with that order. So, think about it in terms of
set theory, if you will. An unordered list is like a set: {1, 2, 3}
which is
Hi,
Patrick wrote:
How accessible...and semantic! Write valid code, so you pass automated
validators, then use JS to basically mess it up in whatever way you
like? Sorry, but that's hardly the point of web standards, imho.
Indeed. At the moment I'm trying to use a definition list but I'm not
Kornel Lesinski wrote:
I don't think that definition list can replace that either.
dt11/dtddFoo/dd
Foo does not define 11.
It's just supposed to be 11th element of some list.
However, the spec is soo vague with regards to the true semantics of DL,
that the above use seems, if not ideal, at least
Ian Fenn wrote:
dt { float:left; }
dd { margin:4px 8px; }
This looks fine in firefox, but with IE 6 (Windows XP) the contents of the
first dt are appearing slightly raised in comparison to the contents of the
following dd. The other dts and dds are being displayed fine...
doesn't work all the
Trying to align bullets and get some sort of consistency across the various
browsers is hard, as each browser positions them in slightly different ways.
One option is to use background images. This gives you two advantages over
standard html bullets:
1. you can use any sort of bullet you like -
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:57:06 +0800, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Really depends on the audience, the client, etc but I usually draw the
line at 5th generation browsers (MSIE5+, Opera 5+, Netscape 6/7,
Firefox, Mozilla, Safari, etc)
You can totally ignore Opera 5 and 6.
92% of Opera
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:03:30 -0330, Paul wrote:
This is more of a general standards question, but if you are designing a
page for the public in general (in my case a university) at what point (
% wise _or_ # of browsers) do you say 'Okay this is the site, no more
trying to accommodate obscure
Hi there,
ol start=11liFirst result/li
liSecond.../li
...
/ol
My two cents: use this method. It's one of those times that the
standards are too strict without providing a robust alternative (more
the fault of browsers than standards, though).
I would support the idea of using Transitional
This is more of a general standards question, but if you are designing a
page for the public in general (in my case a university) at what point (
% wise _or_ # of browsers) do you say 'Okay this is the site, no more
trying to accommodate obscure browsers/older versions of browsers. ? I
know
For anyone who missed the update, Andrew Krespanis has refined his
presentation and has something really good for us - entitled Site in
an Hour Studying the workflow of CSS development, Andrew is going to
involve audience participation to build a site from scratch.
*I'm* not missing this one!
I was wondering if you anyone had tried the Standards Schmandards
technique on making accessible bar charts.
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2005/02/06/14-
accessible-bar-chart
I am intrigued by the idea and wondered what people thought. I'd be
interested in getting a
I've created stacked bar charts (vertical and horizontal) in CSS
without images. Entirely visual using empty divs. Also provided is a
plain text description of the chart for visual and non-visual users
(which we all are).
Unfortunately they are behind a login so can't show you any code but
quite
Hi
Altough others may use other standards, I for one don't care all that much
about browser percentage. HTML 4 exists more then 10 years now and users with
browsers that don't understand HTML 4 can't be all that interested in your
site anyway.
So with this in mind, I set my doctype to 4.01
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