Looking for opinions on the use of javascript for input control focus and
tab index, instead of actually using the 'tabindex' attribute...
I understnd that incomplete browser support of tabindex might influence this
choice, ie javascript. But this would then force the use of the 'name'
attribute
finished.
http://www.webSemantics.co.uk/tutorials/form_elements/
Though I'd be hard pressed to recommend tabindex at all.
Hope it helps
mike 2k:)2
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elements and getElementById or similar), which works just fine.
Patrick
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Looking for opinions on the use of javascript for input control focus and
tab index, instead of actually using the 'tabindex' attribute...
I understnd that incomplete browser support of tabindex might
Title: RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
yeah,
apparently these guys know what they're talking about too ;)
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/
Lisa
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 26,
2004 10:31 AMTo: '[EMAIL
Thanks to everyone involved in organising last nights breifing, it was
really, really great.
If last night is any indication of what WE04 is going to be like, steal your
mama's purse and get there guys.
I was also lucky enough to win a copy of the Web Essentials starter Kit,
which I've been
Just wondering if anyone knows much about the impact of absolute positioning
on people who are using screen magnifiers.
see you tonight...
Lisa
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I'll go the Elephant stamp...
Great work Ben and also, it was a really interesting presentation.
Thanks for all the effort involved in getting clearance to show us the site
too.
Lisa
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From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:12 AM
To:
I think the key word here is choice.
you can choose to open it up in a new window if that's your preference. But
where it makes surfing impossible , or difficult, then it probably shouldn't
be the default.
Lisa
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From: Wayne Godfrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Hello all,All of us here are interested in
the use of web standards for various reasons including the positive impact it
has on the user experience.Add these considerations to the interface
design and there's a lot of things to consider with regard to the final impact
on the end user.What
Sorry everyone, I hadn't realised.
Thanks for the email.
Lisa
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From: Hugh Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Off Topic - Usability question for WSG members
Lisa,
Not answering your
Jason,
I worked on a site a while ago that required translation into 14 different
languages. It was an education based portal that contained a lot of text.
One of the issues we encountered was when documents were translated in a
word document and then supplied to the development team to transfer
Just to repeat what I was saying before, be really careful with the word
docs. you really need to have one of the translators proof the text on
screen to check for errors including strange characters and word breaks etc.
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From: Jason Foss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
ahhh... I believe ladies and gents, that's what's known in the business as
an Intervention. russ, just move towards the light...
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From: russ - maxdesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:15 PM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: Re: [WSG]
This is an interesting point and a good example of where usability
evaluations and user-centred design can complement good design and technical
skill.
Paul said:
Since navigation presents a jargon problem, perhaps menu or another
less techie term might work
And
What's an appropriate metaphor
I thought Firefox was the (or better)!
Regards
Lisa Herrod
Usability Analyst
02 9467 5047
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Sydney Melbourne
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P:
Hi list
I need to do some brief training at short notice on the WCAG priority 1
checkpoints and was just wondering if anyone had seen it in simple english.
ie. for people who really don't have any coding experience?
thanks in advance
Lisa
Regards
Lisa Herrod
Usability Analyst
02 9467 5047
Patrick wrote:
But just to reiterate: even if you follow the recommended practices in
Bob's document...
Cna you please point me to this document, I seem to have missed it with all
that was going on here over the weekend.
Thanks,
lisa
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It's also useful for users of other assistive technology devices, such as
head wands or those with limited mobility, as it reduces the number of
'tabs' a user is required to make to move further down the page.
lisa
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From: Sarah Peeke (XERT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andreas
With regard to accessibility and usability testing, I'm very interested in
your comments about Deaf users in particular. Especially relating to
navigation, including Flyouts and Dropdowns.
Did the Deaf users you interviewed indicate why they had a preference for
drop-downs?
From a
'Users with Disabilities' is better than 'disabled users' generally,
however, when referring to deaf users, it depends on whether the user is
culturally deaf or not.
Culturally Deaf users are those that use sign language for communication and
belong to the deaf community. They're referred to as
This is a really interesting thread and I have to say I've been waiting
years for something solid on deafness and accessibility and usability to
show it's pretty face here :)
I'd like to expand on something Andreas wrote about deafness and content
length. I completely agree with your comments
Sorry that should have said this is for a FEW reasons.
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From: Herrod, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2005 2:55 PM
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: RE: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/ (Deafness and
Con tent Length
Hi Leslie,
Thanks for that, it's interesting to hear from the states about this and I
was hoping that there were some Deaf members on the list :) It would be
great to hear from anyone here in Australia on this point too.
Just to clarify my point, I was using 'big D' Deaf for culturally Deaf and
I think this is pretty good and easy to follow:
http://www.w3schools.com/
Also I know Westciv have just begun their XHTML Free online tutorial,
http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html
Lisa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 29
There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute (ultimo
TAFE) who understand and teach web site design and development with a real
focus on web standards. Their knowledge is extremely current and while the
old addage of
'Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.'
is sometimes
at Northern Sydney IT - they aren't all lucky enough
to get you Lisa :-)
john
On 08/09/2005, at 9:48 AM, Herrod, Lisa wrote:
There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute
(ultimo
TAFE) who understand and teach web site design and development with
a real
focus on web
Subject: RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign
From: Herrod, Lisa
There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute
(ultimo TAFE) who understand and teach...
Maybe TAFE is better than most other educational institutes.
I did some welding courses quite
Hello,
I'm looking for some examples of standards based visual design guidelines
and wondering if you can point me to anything you've seen or personally use
in your design process...?
If it is something you use during design development, let me know that too,
as I'm interested to see how
] Standards based visual design guidelines
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking for some examples of standards based visual design guidelines
and wondering if you can point me to anything you've seen or personally use
in your design process...?
If it is something you use during design development, let
] Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa
Sent: Wednesday, 14 September 2005 2:05 p.m.
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: RE: [WSG] Standards based visual design guidelines
Hi David,
yes I've done that. I'm more interested in hearing directly from designers
who have a focus on standards.
Lisa
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I think he's really just trying to stir up something controversial and
attract people to his site.
Surely anyone who was really serious about their own reputation and business
would actually think about what they were saying, and research their
point(less) before posting it... wouldn't they?
That's a great idea, I'd love to put some faces to names/weird user names :)
Lisa
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From: Webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2005 2:19 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] WE05 - who's going?
So who's going to the Web Essnetials
Did you come out last year Kazuhito? I remember someone from Japan came out
last year. :)
lisa
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From: Kazuhito Kidachi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2005 2:50 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] WE05 - who's going?
2005/9/27,
oh spoil sport!
can't we do both...? :) Just hold up your middle 3 fingers in a 'W' shape
and touch tips as a secret handshake.
ok, just kidding. Seriously, I was...
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From: Andrew Krespanis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2005 3:28 PM
To:
Hi Peter,
Thanks for posting this to the list, I'm sure it will be interesting to many
of us on list...
Can you tell us when you conducted the research, the duration of the study
and how you collected the information?
All the best,
lisa
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From: Peter Johnson
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From: Alan Trick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 7 October 2005 5:13 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!
The fact that Nielsen only surveyed his subscribers, most of whom are
quite different
well if they don't have an understanding of coding to standards, it appears
that a couple of their toes are actually missing. In which case, you
certainly won't be standing on them.
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From: Paul Noone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2005 10:10 AM
last week in a usability evaluation I saw my very first participant increase
the font size of their own accord. No prompting what so ever.
Profile: Male, 36, works in finance, uses internet every day
I nearly fell off my chair. It was such a rare moment. He then right clicked
a link to open it
I ran a usability evaluation last week where some (few) of the form elements
had place-holding text and others didn't.
This caused problems as you might expect as users scanned over those fields
thinking that as they were already populated, they were therefore optional.
Of course they were
Yes this is an interesting point. And it differs from visually highlighting
a field once the user has encountered a form validation error. For example,
a user misses or incorrectly fills out a mandatory field and when the form
is re-presented, those fields are visually highlighted with a
for the record, I'm still following the thread.
this isn't even close to finished.
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From: Geoff Deering
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: 11/18/05 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering
This is a great article Terrance, and while interesting from a design /
technology perspective, I think the human side of this story is more
important.
I'm sure everyone who saw Doug Bowmans presentation at WE05 'Zooming out of
the trenches' http://we05.com/podcast/ was incredibly moved by his
Well the idea of the $100 laptop is to 'work with developing nations' to
provide low cost access to knowledge via the Internet.
What I'm doing is putting this out to our community to see who is interested
in being involved in a project like this. Naturally we would need to discuss
exactly what it
: Re: [WSG] $100 laptop WAS: why liquid layout is important.
On 11/20/05, Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well the idea of the $100 laptop is to 'work with developing nations' to
provide low cost access to knowledge via the Internet.
What I'm doing is putting this out to our community
can you send a link to an example of one of these?
thanks,
lisa
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From: Joseph R. B. Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 4:06 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] jump menu method
Just a thought, but if all the links are
now I just want to find a way to use it because it sounds so good!
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From: kvnmcwebn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2005 12:14 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] jump menu method
Nice script.
What sort of attribution would you
Lloyd,
can you tell us the university, the course/faculty and the year you did that
course? Just to put it in context. By no means as a way of shaming them into
the present...
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From: Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM
To:
No, you're thinking of the finn brothers and 'the piano'
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From: Miles Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next
year?
Someone once told
Is anyone aware of the proposed date WCAG 2.0 will replace 1.0?
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From: russ - maxdesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2005 1:03 PM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Working Drafts: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0
From the W3C
The
Hi List,
can anyone point me to an up to date list of browsers and devices that
either do not support Javascript or whose functionality is impeded by JS?
thanks,
Lisa Herrod
Usability Analyst
P: 02 9467 5047 M: 0403 795 435
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Access Testing
The Experts in Testing
Ok. let's just take a step back and put this all in perspective:
We already have a rating system with A - AAA conformence and the pretty
badges to go with it.
In Australia we have HREOC, and we know there's been a successful test case,
which was widely publicised.
Who really pays attention to
what are you applying it to? a heading or a paragraph of text?
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From: Paul Noone
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: 15/12/05 14:18
Subject: [WSG] Justify this
Hopefully a quick question, I hoope, as the W3C specs are no help on
this
one.
I want to centre align text
Justified text really isn't a good idea in terms of usability/readability.
Maybe there was a conscious effort not to support it :)
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From: Paul Noone
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: 15/12/05 14:49
Subject: RE: [WSG] Justify this
Hi Lachlan,
Thanks for that but
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On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 2:59 PM
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org '
Subject: RE: [WSG] Justify this
Justified text really isn't a good idea in terms of
usability/readability.
Maybe there was a conscious effort not to support it :)
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sites, justified or not?)
Not attacking, just... curious. Because I think justified text LOOKS
nicer (n.b. not neccessarily more readable... just more enjoyable to
read.)
Josh
On 12/15/05, Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Justified text really isn't a good idea in terms of
usability
Good point Helen,
I like that this is coming up at the beginning of the year by a few people
on list.
The truth is that people have been scared off the list and that's a shame
when the focus here is to share information and promote standards based
design and development.
One of the strong
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From: Christian Montoya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 5:22 PM
On 1/31/06, Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also appreciate that changing 6 or 8 or 10 years of
coding practice
and philosophy of web development is
Hi Josh,
There's a public list you can join for the Mobile Web Initiative (MWI) which
isn't high in traffic and provides really good, friendly, interesting
discussion. Details for the MWI, the mail list and other info:
http://www.w3.org/Mobile/
Also, there's a 'Last Call Working Draft' of the
:) good work Jimmy G, and thanks for the good press!
looking forward to coming out there... you know if there was ever a chance
to teach the usability I'd jump at it!
lisa
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From: James Gollan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 8:00 AM
To:
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education.
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Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 11:09 AM
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Subject: Re: Recall: [WSG] Web design education
Mark Harris wrote:
Terrence Wood wrote:
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design
education.
What does that mean
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
The users! Please, won't somebody think of the *users*!
This line reminds me of something from my favourite show when I was a kid:
Fantasy Island. the plane, the plane! :)
Let's just change it here to the users, the users!
Can I kindly suggest you all try some usability
Yes but Patrick,
If you provide the user with a Javascript pop-up window that they
right-click to display a pretty flash-based font-increasing app, the user
could increase the font as much as they like.
It's known as the 'Clydesdale Hack'.
L
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From: Patrick H.
I've always wanted my own theme song.
I believe I have finally arrived.
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From: Mark Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2006 12:27 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] site check: FONT sizes
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Yes
I think that requires a purchase order felix.
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From: Felix Miata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please tell us which combination(s) of display size and resolution and
at which DPI values your description applies to:
13 on 800x600
14 on 800x600
15 on 800x600
16 on
This is really interesting article in that it contradicts findings of a
recent study we completed just 2 weeks ago.
We recently conducted user testing on a site with 22 participants, which is
a significant sample (often we test with 8 to 12).
The demographic was 18 skilled workers and 4
the users... In Page Links
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
This is really interesting article in that it contradicts
findings of a
recent study we completed just 2 weeks ago.
We recently conducted user testing on a site with 22
participants, which is
a significant sample (often we test with 8
Hi Terrance
From: Terrence Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
All good questions. I read somewhere recently that a seasoned usability
tester observed one person changing the font size for the very first
time.
I wrote about that here recently. I've run hundreds of usability sessions
and that was
Oh I
can see an Austin WSG forming already!
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 7:35
AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG]
Introduction and first submission
Welcome Sharron.. Im
in Austin too!
Linking back to the Home page via a logo placed top-left is one of those
design conventions/patterns that users of various experience appear to be
learning. I haven't seen novice users navigating this way, but certainly
users with moderate computer/internet literacy are.
However, I don't agree
It's one of those design conventions that doesn't impact on the visual
design of a page at all, but definitely does effect the user experience. I
do think users are 'learning' to expect this type of functionality and I
can't think of a reason why you wouldn't implement it.
lisa
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South by South West - specifically the Interactive festival, being held in
Austin in just a few weeks.
http://www.sxsw.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 11:40 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG]
ABC's Radio National Late Night Live program has produced a really
insightful interview about Deafness. I think it's well worth a listen and
might give you a good insight into deaf culture and the medical model of
deafness in Australia and internationally.
Deaf Culture
Summary
Is deafness a
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