RE: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-18 Thread Christopher M Kelly
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility Hi all, Jumping in on all these architectural analogies... nobody seems to have made this point: ultimately EVERYONE has some level of responsibility, since everyone

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-18 Thread Leslie Riggs
I don't know how to word this, but here goes... We have the W3C's WCAG and Section 508...however, WCAG is just a set of guidelines; Section 508 applies to US federal agencies. I'm not asking that we legislate this (heaven forbid!) for the Web at large, but it seems there isn't yet a *widely

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-11 Thread Alan Trick
Ok, I see your point here, but I'm the web designer for a company. Most of our customers probably wouldn't know what a 'browser' is and think that the 'e' is the is only way to 'download the internet'. I can't simply forget my customers browsers without alienating them as well, because they

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: Ok, I see your point here, but I'm the web designer for a company. Most of our customers probably wouldn't know what a 'browser' is and think that the 'e' is the is only way to 'download the internet'. I can't simply forget my customers browsers without alienating them as

RE: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-10 Thread Christopher M Kelly
: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 1:52 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility Hi all, I'm coming to this very much as a newbie, so be gentle with your response: I feel that, in many ways, we as web designers are getting the short straw by being asked to counteract

RE: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-10 Thread Tom Livingston
At 10:37 AM -0600 2/10/05, Christopher M Kelly wrote: Possibly so, but is an architect being given the short straw by being required to include ramps and elevators in the design of a building? The issue is to force companies to make software/hardware better. Something that is physically

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-10 Thread designer
With respect Christopher, I think you're missing the point. To take your analogy further, it seems to me that making web designers emsolelyem responsible for dealing with accessibility is like telling architects they're off the hook with regard to ramps etc, and getting the decorators to carry the

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-10 Thread Gunlaug Srtun
designer wrote: What exactly is the position? Opera's zoom-feature is nice - and useful, but comes more as an addition provided in that browser. IE6 can also zoom pages, but not that user-friendly. We may want browsers to have useful features like this, but that's not what we want first and most

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-10 Thread Tom Livingston
Giving users a reasonable time to upgrade to the latest-- and hopefully best-- version of the browser of their choice, and then simply forgetting to code for the older versions, is one way we can push (a little) where it matters. Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner! -- - Tom Livingston

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-10 Thread heretic
Hi all, Jumping in on all these architectural analogies... nobody seems to have made this point: ultimately EVERYONE has some level of responsibility, since everyone is and will remain involed. Let's continue the analogy, for a new building: 1) The government sets out physical access

[WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-01-11 Thread designer
Hi all, I'm coming to this very much as a newbie, so be gentle with your response: I feel that, in many ways, we as web designers are getting the short straw by being asked to counteract the shortcomings of the browser/PC people, rather than the other way around. For example, Opera has a really