RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-20 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, It might look like this-) http://www.worth1000.com/entries/228000/228489TyBX_w.jpg Stuart On Fri, April 20, 2007 5:29 am, John Foliot wrote: Exactly, and I've yet to encounter a cell phone with a mouse attached grin. Cheers! JF

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-20 Thread Jason Turnbull
Michael MD wrote: ...however I might use that word on pages that require javascript such as those that use an external api to display maps. The only people able to use those pages are people using a web browser that can execute javascript... and 99.99% of such users would be using a mouse or

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread Michael MD
interesting discussion I get a lot of mobile phone users here. click would definately not be a suitable word to use on any page mobile phone users are likely to look at. ...however I might use that word on pages that require javascript such as those that use an external api to display

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread John Foliot
Michael MD wrote: interesting discussion I get a lot of mobile phone users here. click would definately not be a suitable word to use on any page mobile phone users are likely to look at. ...however I might use that word on pages that require javascript such as those that use an

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread James Leslie
On a related note, though not involving galleries, I find a lot of our clients want to have linked text along the lines of Click here for more details on product x. I have managed to fairly much insist that we always use the entire sentence as a link to show context, rather than just the click

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread John Faulds
Doesn't More details on product x mean exactly the same thing as Click here for more details on product x if the whole line is a link? Surely people recognise links enough that they don't need to be told to click every single one? On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:10:12 +1000, James Leslie [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread John Foliot
James Leslie wrote: On a related note, though not involving galleries, I find a lot of our clients want to have linked text along the lines of Click here for more details on product x. I have managed to fairly much insist that we always use the entire sentence as a link to show context,

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread Helen Morgan
Hi John, Do you ever find that your solution causes you page layout problems (that is, including the uri as the link text)? When I first encountered “web standards” folk, it was suggested to me that including uris as link text wasn’t ideal for accessibility reasons, because of screen

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread Terrence Wood
John Faulds: Surely people recognise links enough that they don't need to be told to click every single one? I agree. The verb ('click here', 'go to' etc) really shouldn't form part of the link text. kind regards Terrence Wood.

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread Terrence Wood
John Foliot wrote: semi-credible stats showing that 4% of users cannot (do not?) support JavaScript [http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/March/javas.php] Granted, this appears to be more reliable than 99.9% - but isn't javascript required in order for thecounter.com to gather stats, or do they

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
My good people, It's really a matter of simple common sense. Yes, we want to cater to the largest possible audience. But in all reality, unless our site in question is the first web page someone has ever encountered, they'll understand that whether they click, press enter or any other

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread Michael MD
John Foliot wrote: semi-credible stats showing that 4% of users cannot (do not?) support JavaScript [http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/March/javas.php] Granted, this appears to be more reliable than 99.9% - but isn't javascript required in order for thecounter.com to gather stats, or do

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-19 Thread John Foliot
Terrence Wood wrote: John Foliot wrote: semi-credible stats showing that 4% of users cannot (do not?) support JavaScript [http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/March/javas.php] Granted, this appears to be more reliable than 99.9% - but isn't javascript required in order for thecounter.com to

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Nick Gleitzman
John Horner wrote: I'm looking at a design involving image thumbnails and the instruction to click images for larger version -- I have the idea that saying click is wrong, or rather the assumption that everyone is using a mouse is wrong. So, how would you word this instruction, or otherwise

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Brian Cummiskey
I've been using View Larger Image. Perhaps even view is the wrong term now that I think about it. But wouldn't those with sight disabilities pick up on the alt and title tags of the img and href and ignore clicking on it in the first place? something like this: a href=large.jpg

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, Images link to larger version. is less passive-voiced. Stuart On Wed, April 18, 2007 12:52 am, John Horner wrote: I'm looking at a design involving image thumbnails and the instruction to click images for larger version -- I have the idea that saying click is wrong, or rather the

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Raena Jackson Armitage
On 4/18/07, Webb, KerryA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it's true that not everybody will use a mouse (and some of these mouses will not have any auditory feedback), click is a well-understood term that shouldn't alienate any users. In my opinion. Yeah, but outside of the 'oo are we gonna

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:54:22 +1000, Raena Jackson Armitage wrote: Using something more direct, like View larger image or Send us a message just flows better as written text. Exactly how to approach this depends on your audience. If your market is largely internet newbs, who aren't yet cofident

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread John Foliot
Brian Cummiskey wrote: I've been using View Larger Image. something like this: a href=large.jpg title=larger detail image of img src=small.jpg alt= /br /View Larger Image/a Good discussion. :) Let's introduce a new slant to this: what happens if there are 16 thumbnail images

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, Yes, having mnore than one link with the same link-text but different href URL breaks fundamental accessibility guidelines. However, in this case, where there is also an image (with alt text) inside the link, would not the link text for a screenreader become: XXX View Larger image where XXX

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, Know Thy Market is fine for usability (as far it goes). But, for accessibility, this is not sufficient. It's not just internet newbs who aren't able to use this mousey thing. Stuart On Wed, April 18, 2007 10:15 pm, Lea de Groot wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:54:22 +1000, Raena Jackson

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread John Horner
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click? On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:54:22 +1000, Raena Jackson Armitage wrote: Using something more direct, like View larger image or Send us a message just flows better as written text. Exactly how to approach this depends on your

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:45:45 +1000, John Horner wrote: It's a nice idea, this know your market thing, and I'm sure it's appropriate in a commercial context, but our market is *everyone*. (The ABC, for the non-.au based, is the major government broadcasting arm) Yes, it is, so you would be

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Kevin Futter
On 19/4/07 8:29 AM, John Foliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] One way around this would be to announce prior to the image array to Click on any image to view a larger version (or similar). This is the solution that I've (eventually) arrived at for most image galleries - just a simple line

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread Raena Jackson Armitage
On 4/19/07, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly how to approach this depends on your audience. If your market is largely internet newbs, who aren't yet cofident with this mousey-thing they push around with their hand - gently walk them through it with 'click here to view a larger

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-18 Thread zen
This is getting a bit off track, isn't it? The original post was concerned about the assumption that a user is using a mouse at all. For accessibility, it's a good idea to include a description within the link of exactly what it's linking to. Larger Image is not very descriptive. Larger

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
John Horner wrote: I'm looking at a design involving image thumbnails and the instruction to click images for larger version -- I have the idea that saying click is wrong, or rather the assumption that everyone is using a mouse is wrong. Depends on the design, of course, but how about simply

RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-17 Thread Webb, KerryA
John wrote: I'm looking at a design involving image thumbnails and the instruction to click images for larger version -- I have the idea that saying click is wrong, or rather the assumption that everyone is using a mouse is wrong. So, how would you word this instruction, or otherwise

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?

2007-04-17 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
John Horner wrote: Images are linked to larger versions seems to passive-voice to me, and I can't think of any generic term for using a link. Joe Clark suggests using something like, alt=Sunrise at Darling Harbour (link to larger image) -