Re: [X2Go-User] x2go on KDE Neon / Kubuntu 18.04
Am 11.11.19 um 14:13 schrieb Bernhard Lindner: >> Well, that's pretty much still the case. Rumor has it that it works on >> Debian Buster, but on Ubuntu, things don't look good (we just received a >> report of it not working in a neighboring thread on this list). > > Ok, I see. > > Are there any plans about fixing this soon (other than KDrive)? Probably not. All those eye-candy DEs (Animations, 3D effects, ...) aren't really good for remote use, anyway, as long as you're using X2Go/NX/X. So it would probably take a diehard KDE fan with coding skills or a paying customer to change that situation. Also, since it works in Debian Buster, there's a good chance it's nothing we broke/could fix, but it's something inside KDE itself (as Ubuntu is based on Debian, but might ship different versions of the packages - depending on which one has the newer packages, it either broke or got fixed with a newer release). > I am afraid that's not possible. I am helping building a new work group at > our university > and I need a software to do remote work and to provide shared desktop support > for the non- > IT guys. We have already adjusted to Neon. > >> Another option: There's a beta version of X2GoServer that you could >> install, and you'd also need the corresponding beta version of >> X2GoClient on your Client. This isn't for the faint of heart, so let me >> know if you want to continue down that route. This new feature is >> called KDrive. > > I just read about it. Sounds very interesting. However since I need it for > production > systems, I am not sure if is a good way. Do you think it is mature enough to > be used in a > productive environment without a a lot of hassle? I need most of the time to > support > scientific work and students so I can't invest much time in a "secondary" > tooling, I hope > you understand that. My understanding is that one company already uses KDrive in production, however, they are not using KDE but a differend DE. Gnome3, I think. So feel free to try it, but your mileage may vary. >> Do I really need a full remote desktop, or would it be good enough for >> me to be able to start remote applications in your local desktop? > > I don't know. I have never worked that way. I do not know the pro and cons. > Maybe I will > give it a try. If it's for remote work, rather than for remote support, it is absolutely worth a try. It's also less resource-intensive on the server, as there is no need to load a full DE instance into memory. > Currently I can't see a good alterntive. Especially if I also want to use it > with Windows > systems as well. VNC seems to be a solution too but the reactivity/speed is a > pain. I > think I can't use it all day long. > I alos can't use a commercial application since we simply do not have enough > money to > afford one (at least for the moment). > >> Turning a local desktop session into a remote desktop session is a bit >> hairy. It will not detach from the local console, so keyboard, mouse, >> and screen on the server side will be active (i.e. other people could >> snoop on what you're doing, when they can look at the server's screen, >> or use the keyboard/mouse to do nasty things while you're not looking). >> Also, as the remote screen will need to mirror everything, it is way >> slower than a native X2Go session - more like VNC. > > Well, for a remote support session this would be totally ok! Again, be warned that the speed will be comparable to VNC, so if you're suffering with VNC for remote support, X2Go will not really be an improvement - it simply wasn't made for that. Also, using a Windows client to do remote support with X2Go is still pretty buggy. And of course, the server side must be Linux - you cannot "remote in" to a Windows machine. You will have to use VNC or one of the commercial alternatives for that. (By the way, I hear AnyDesk's licensing/pricing model is a lot less complicated and more sane than TeamViewer's, so if you're heavy into remote support use, you might want to check them out - maybe your budget is at least big enough for an AnyDesk license, if you can't afford TeamViewer. On an exactly 0 EUR budget, I guess you will be stuck with VNC for Windows support.) Kind Regards, Stefan Baur -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go on KDE Neon / Kubuntu 18.04
Hi Stefan! First, let me thank you for your elaborate and quick answer! That's rare these days! I really appreciate that! > Well, that's pretty much still the case. Rumor has it that it works on > Debian Buster, but on Ubuntu, things don't look good (we just received a > report of it not working in a neighboring thread on this list). Ok, I see. Are there any plans about fixing this soon (other than KDrive)? > You are not going to crash it, but you are likely to end up with a black > screen, rather than a working X2Go session. > Things look better on Debian Buster, from what we hear. So if switching > the server distribution to Debian is an option for you, it might be > worth a try. I am afraid that's not possible. I am helping building a new work group at our university and I need a software to do remote work and to provide shared desktop support for the non- IT guys. We have already adjusted to Neon. > Another option: There's a beta version of X2GoServer that you could > install, and you'd also need the corresponding beta version of > X2GoClient on your Client. This isn't for the faint of heart, so let me > know if you want to continue down that route. This new feature is > called KDrive. I just read about it. Sounds very interesting. However since I need it for production systems, I am not sure if is a good way. Do you think it is mature enough to be used in a productive environment without a a lot of hassle? I need most of the time to support scientific work and students so I can't invest much time in a "secondary" tooling, I hope you understand that. > Do I really need a full remote desktop, or would it be good enough for > me to be able to start remote applications in your local desktop? I don't know. I have never worked that way. I do not know the pro and cons. Maybe I will give it a try. Currently I can't see a good alterntive. Especially if I also want to use it with Windows systems as well. VNC seems to be a solution too but the reactivity/speed is a pain. I think I can't use it all day long. I alos can't use a commercial application since we simply do not have enough money to afford one (at least for the moment). > Turning a local desktop session into a remote desktop session is a bit > hairy. It will not detach from the local console, so keyboard, mouse, > and screen on the server side will be active (i.e. other people could > snoop on what you're doing, when they can look at the server's screen, > or use the keyboard/mouse to do nasty things while you're not looking). > Also, as the remote screen will need to mirror everything, it is way > slower than a native X2Go session - more like VNC. Well, for a remote support session this would be totally ok! -- Best Regards, Bernhard Lindner ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go on KDE Neon / Kubuntu 18.04
Am 09.11.19 um 23:39 schrieb Bernhard Lindner: > I would like to use x2go server and client on some KDE5 systems (Kubuntu > 18.04 and KDE > Neon 18.04). > > I tried to find information about installing x2go server on these systems but > the only > thing I found is that it used to work for KDE4 and that there are rumors that > it maybe > works with KDE5. Well, that's pretty much still the case. Rumor has it that it works on Debian Buster, but on Ubuntu, things don't look good (we just received a report of it not working in a neighboring thread on this list). > Well, I am not a Linux expert. Before crashing my system or failing > completely, please > tell me, does x2go server work on KDE5 (Neon or Kubuntu)? If yes, what do I > need to do to > install it? You are not going to crash it, but you are likely to end up with a black screen, rather than a working X2Go session. Things look better on Debian Buster, from what we hear. So if switching the server distribution to Debian is an option for you, it might be worth a try. Another option: There's a beta version of X2GoServer that you could install, and you'd also need the corresponding beta version of X2GoClient on your Client. This isn't for the faint of heart, so let me know if you want to continue down that route. This new feature is called KDrive. And of course, you should ask yourself: Do I really need a full remote desktop, or would it be good enough for me to be able to start remote applications in your local desktop? If running remote applications is fine, then I would suggest you change the following settings in X2GoClient: Click "Options" in the menu bar, then "Settings". The first tab, "General", should have all the options you need. Check the "Display Icon in System Tray" box, this un-greys the four checkboxes below it, check all of them as well, click "OK". Then, go to the session configuration, and change the session type from KDE to "Published Applications". After that, once X2GoClient is running and has an active session, published apps can be accessed by right-clicking the tray icon and selecting the name of the session. A left click un-hides the X2GoClient window. > I want the server to server to start a new desktop session if needed or use > an existing > desktop session if the specified user is already logged in. Is this possible > out of the > box or do I need to take additional steps? Well, X2Go was not meant as a remote support tool, so while it does incorporate some rudimentary features for that, this mode of operation isn't exactly speedy. Detecting a running X2Go session, suspending it remotely, and then attaching to it is easy, and brings you native X2Go speed. Same goes for starting an X2Go session, suspending it from the client you were using, then resuming the suspended session at any later time from a different, or the same client. Turning a local desktop session into a remote desktop session is a bit hairy. It will not detach from the local console, so keyboard, mouse, and screen on the server side will be active (i.e. other people could snoop on what you're doing, when they can look at the server's screen, or use the keyboard/mouse to do nasty things while you're not looking). Also, as the remote screen will need to mirror everything, it is way slower than a native X2Go session - more like VNC. Again, this is a rudimentary remote support feature, not a "take my local desktop and turn it into a remote session". If you want a desktop session that you can use both locally and remote, I would suggest installing a minimal desktop environment alongside the one you intend to use. Say, OpenBox with Tint2 as taskbar. When logging in locally, use this minimal DE, then start X2GoClient from it, and in X2GoClient, connect to localhost with the session type you want. That way, you get a native X2Go session with the desktop environment of your choice that you can suspend and resume from remote. Kind Regards, Stefan Baur -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
