RE: [ydn-delicious] del.icio.us censoring: not showing saved by X other people, not on /popular..
Yeah, this is definitely a strange bug -- I can't see any reason this wouldn't show up. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of warlingham Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:44 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] del.icio.us censoring: not showing saved by X other people, not on /popular.. Hello! I've come across an interesting example of blocking / censorship on del.icio.us. I started a site yesterday and someone (not me) first bookmarked it on del.icio.us just over 24 hours ago. It was then linked on prominent blogs and YCombinator News and 86 other people bookmarked it (all natural, no-one was asked). Despite this, on all users pages of people who bookmarked it, and on tag pages it exists on, there are no saved by X other people links. This level of bookmarking would typically put a link into /popular, or at least the popular page for its main tag (/popular/ruby in this case), but since del.icio.us is failing to note the saved by X other people though, it's not making it there. What makes it all a bit suspicious is that I went to del.icio.us/url and entered the URL manually. Ta-da, I can see the number of people who bookmarked it. That page is here: http://del.icio.us/url/a28d36b3f289c39be53aeef14fcca474 So if del.icio.us is engaging in censoring / blocking of certain URLs (assuming this isn't a bug), why and how? What are the criteria? Is it because the domain name for the site is so newly registered, for example? Cheers, Peter Cooper http://www.petercooper.co.uk/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] autocomplete TAG feature in Delicious 1.0 broken?
Are you on Safari 3.1 by any chance? -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:44 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] autocomplete TAG feature in Delicious 1.0 broken? not sure where else this goes, but is the autocomplete TAG feature in Delicious 1.0 broken? Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] del.icio.us censoring: not showing saved by X other people, not on /popular..
For some reason, some URLs are not having the public-save-count updated properly, which is one (important) factor for making it onto the popular list. Since it seems to be missing the algorithm skips it, for some reason. Toby is looking into why the updates are going through. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of warlingham Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:44 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] del.icio.us censoring: not showing saved by X other people, not on /popular.. Hello! I've come across an interesting example of blocking / censorship on del.icio.us. I started a site yesterday and someone (not me) first bookmarked it on del.icio.us just over 24 hours ago. It was then linked on prominent blogs and YCombinator News and 86 other people bookmarked it (all natural, no-one was asked). Despite this, on all users pages of people who bookmarked it, and on tag pages it exists on, there are no saved by X other people links. This level of bookmarking would typically put a link into /popular, or at least the popular page for its main tag (/popular/ruby in this case), but since del.icio.us is failing to note the saved by X other people though, it's not making it there. What makes it all a bit suspicious is that I went to del.icio.us/url and entered the URL manually. Ta-da, I can see the number of people who bookmarked it. That page is here: http://del.icio.us/url/a28d36b3f289c39be53aeef14fcca474 So if del.icio.us is engaging in censoring / blocking of certain URLs (assuming this isn't a bug), why and how? What are the criteria? Is it because the domain name for the site is so newly registered, for example? Cheers, Peter Cooper http://www.petercooper.co.uk/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] counts on Posting History
Definitely an interesting idea. In general we need to do more around showing reputation around things, this included. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Weymar Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:10 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] counts on Posting History Excellent suggestion, Paul. Seconded! On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Paul Denning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I occasionally follow the links to the first posted by user in Posting History. In theory, for bookmarks saved by 100s of people in del.icio.us over a time span of many months, it is a good bet that the first person to bookmark it in del.icio.us is an early adopter, a subject matter expert, or simply more in tune with the target web site. Sometimes the 2nd or 3rd or other early posters, not just the 1st, are also more tuned in to that link or tag than, say, the 900th person to bookmark it 15 months later. However, I am often disappointed when I click around on some of the early posters that have few or no other links (with the same tag). I'll just grab a fairly popular old bookmark as an example. [1] http://del.icio.us/url/1d858cd47a4fdc3508ab837958307464 At the time of this writing, that link was posted 223 times on del.icio.us . It looks like the most popular tag is screencast. It was first posted by http://del.icio.us/mwagner (but tagged it screencasting, not screencast). http://del.icio.us/mwagner/screencasting shows 8 links; not bad. If that user had only 1 bookmark tagged screencasting, I would assume that the person is not as tuned into screencasting as someone who has many more bookmarks tagged with screencasting. Since the tag screencast is more popular, I can look at the first person to use that tag... http://del.icio.us/erehwon/screencast But that user has only 4 items tagged screencast. If I look at some of the other early posters that used the tag screencast, I find http://del.icio.us/mhinze/screencast (29) http://del.icio.us/mmazza/screencast (4) http://del.icio.us/arip/screencast (4) http://del.icio.us/clintcombs/screencast (10) It would be nice, when looking at posting history, to show a count of how many bookmarks each person has for a given tag. In the list above, I had to visit each page to get the count of items. If the posting history for [1] already had the counts calculated for me, it would provide me with a better hint about what other users are worth looking at. For example, instead of by http://del.icio.us/mhinzemhinze to http://del.icio.us/mhinze/screencastscreencast It would be nice if the posting history showed by http://del.icio.us/mhinzemhinze to http://del.icio.us/mhinze/screencastscreencast (29) Has that been considered? Any greasemonkey scripts or other ways to get that information quickly? Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Is anyone having trouble with the linkrolls page?
These appear to be working for me. Can anyone else confirm? Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dorkyboy Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:15 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Is anyone having trouble with the linkrolls page? Nick: Thanks for the prompt reply. Unfortunately, this seem to have deterioated to the point where the linkrolls in the wild are being affected. see shiftingchannels.com and haroldcheck.com sorry to bear the bad news. -h. --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, nick.nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, dorkyboy dorkyboy@ wrote: This pages was incredibly useful in generating HTML for including delicious links on web pages. It hasn't worked in several days (maybe a week or more). What has changed? Can someone take a look at this? Thanks. http://del.icio.us/help/linkrolls (preview doesn't load. html isn't generated.) -h. We have a fix built but we're waiting for a deployment window so we can push it out. Should be fixed by early next week. Only the help page is broken- any link rolls 'in the wild' should be unaffected. Thanks for writing. -n. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Daily blog posting without tags?
Currently, there isn't - we plan to have templates allowing you to design your daily postings, though. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marjutmutanen Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:57 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Daily blog posting without tags? Is it possible to use the daily blog post feature without tags (in Movable Type)? Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] I think the search is too slow
Yes, definitely. Should be part of D2. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of louise.varielle Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:14 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] I think the search is too slow Is there some work going on for making search of bookmarks faster? I wish for something as snappy as yahoo and google search. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] three different APIs
I'm investigating. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin R. Miller Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:04 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] three different APIs On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Toby Elliott wrote: If you discover this problem in the future, please don't hesitate to let me know. I'm seeing the same thing again: /posts/update shows a time of 2007-11-30T15:15:12Z /posts/get shows a bookmark added at 2007-11-30T20:58:02Z /posts/all doesn't show this bookmark at all Is there any other way I should be using this? What could I do better? Users are complaining of problems with my application because of this kind of thing. -- Justin R. Miller Code Sorcery Workshop http://codesorcery.net Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Hiding / blocking fans
We didn't add this functionality because it didn't seem like this eventuality is that big a deal. Although originally you could only see the number of fans and not who they were. Additionally, you don't see their links if they are your fan unless you add them back. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moore Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:29 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Hiding / blocking fans Someone's just added me to their network and it looks pretty likely that they are using this as a form of advertising -- account is clearly owned by a firm, network 50, links all firm-related Either way, I certainly have no interest in seeing them, or their links. So ... - is it possible to hide a user from my list of fans - is it possible to prevent a user from including Best regards, Jon Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Relaunch?
No. I was saying that I understand the motivation and the problems. I think tagging does very well for ad-hoc categorization of stuff that is found via information foraging. I think it does less well when people are doing very specific research. The usefulness of folders versus tagging as frequently implemented is that when items are put in a folder they dissapear from the working set. But they provide the same categorization atom that tagging does; so what is left remains is the remove-from-working-set atom. Perhaps there needs to be a way to retire or archive stuff? I don't know. We'll have to play with it. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lott Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:32 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: Relaunch? In response to a request for *folders* On 7/6/07, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I definitely understant the problem and/or feel the pain here. We won't have something immediately but we have some ideas here... Umm... folders? Really? Isn't that kind of like back to the year 2000? Isn't that kind of the whole point of tagging? c -- Chris Lott Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Next Bookmarklet for del.icio.us similiar to Google's
Hmm, that's a good idea, but there's not anything like it currently. I tend to use a tag (readlater) for stuff I want to workflow, and then edit the item and remove the tag when I am done with it. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bo_somethings Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:15 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Next Bookmarklet for del.icio.us similiar to Google's Is there a bookmarklet for del.icio.us that lets me read the next item for each tag I specify ? think Google Reader's Bookmarklet Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] feature request: use my tagging history to show me interesting things
Yeah -- this is something I definitely want to produce at some point. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:57 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] feature request: use my tagging history to show me interesting things Hello again, Another del.icio.us idea my friend and I had is more vague. We were noticing how much del.icio.us is learning about our interests, thanks to all the interesting links we keep teaching it about, and we were wondering if there were any plans to make use of that. For example, a version of http://del.icio.us/popular that shows us fresh links that we will certainly be interested in based on our interests. Or a version of the network view which somehow emphasizes activity that will likely be more interesting to us than the average link. It would be cool to sort the past year's worth of my friends' postings from most interesting to least interesting. Or sort a particular tag's history in a similar way. I would pay money to be able to do things like this. :) Thanks, Matt http://del.icio.us/fjarlq Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Feature Suggestion: number of feed subscribers
I get the impression that doing the actual measurements are hard, but I'm thinking of at least catching and exposing the number of subscribers reported by Bloglines and other RSS readers... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sergio Nunes Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:27 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Feature Suggestion: number of feed subscribers Hi, I would really like to know the total number of subscribers to my del.icio.us feed. Have you considered offering such a service? Something like a mini-feedburner for del.icio.us? Just the total number of subscriptions for the major readers would be a good starting point. Thanks! -- Sérgio Nunes Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] feature request: RSS feeds that summarize better
So, a daily summarized feed? I'll add that to the todo list. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:40 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] feature request: RSS feeds that summarize better Dear del.icio.us developers, A friend of mine mentioned today how it's not much fun to read his del.icio.us/network RSS feed using Google Reader or Bloglines, because each posting takes up so much space on the screen, and the chronological ordering makes it hard to follow what a friend is bookmarking about. I agreed, and we got to talking about how it would be cool if there was a new kind of del.icio.us feed that summarized the recent events in fewer postings. Like, one post that describes the *kinds* of things each friend has recently been bookmarking (mini tag-cloud for each friend?). And another post that has all the links, but batched together in one post, organized within that post on a per-user basis, and generated every N hours or every N links or whatever. What do you think? Thanks, Matt http://del.icio.us/fjarlq Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Relaunch?
I definitely understant the problem and/or feel the pain here. We won't have something immediately but we have some ideas here... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nothingnormal.xanga Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:56 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Relaunch? Please let there be support for folders in the new version. I find its something lacking when i'm tagging things i need to research on or related information. Its nice to have everything in one place. --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been working on it since October. It's a huge overhaul on the backend (this time architected by people who aren't me, which is probably good) plus a frontend redesign (some new styling, plus the opportunity to get rid of the impacted css and javascript crud.) Not a lot of new stuff in there, although we are adding some things that are VERY frequently asked for (bulk-ish editing, alphabetical sort, that kind of stuff ... and the blue on pink bit will go). We should be able to go to a MUCH faster release schedule after the new lauch so a lot of the stuff I've been saying we're working on that to for the last year will be able finally get done. We've had one round of user testing to show folks the site (part of the user survey we did a while ago) and are going to try to get more folks to lay hands on it before we flip the switch. A huge amount of it is already done, we're working on the final parts and a lot of performance tuning. Joshua Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: for: private RSS feed
Yes, this is something we want to do but there are a lot of anti-spam considerations. Generally I prefer to launch something and THEN see how spammers mess with it, but I don't want to get delicious's outgoing email on any blacklists and want to be extra careful on this one. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pau.irish Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:58 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: for: private RSS feed Hi Joshua, Sometimes when I find a link I enjoy, I'll bookmark it and for: it to a number of people. Of course there are bound to be people I want to share it with but do not currently have a del.icio.us account. I'd love to also tag to their email:for:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When I do that it would send out an email to that address with the link. (and whatever other information needs to be included) In addition to providing some great functionality to your userbase, it's also a great way to turn your users into evangelists and spread the value of del.icio.us to their friends. Friend: Hey, i noticed you sent me a link yesterday using something called delicious? what's that all about? I'm posting on this thread because I tried to duplicate this functionality by just bookmarking like that.. Then I was going to set up something to watch the rss feed on that for: page and shoot off emails. That's when I saw there is no private rss feed for the for: tags. :( I'll take either feature, but I definitely think the former would be warmly welcomed by all del.icio.us users. Thanks! -Paul Irish http://del.icio.us/paul.irish --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This indicates a hole in our api and/or thinking and will try to come up with a reasonable short-term solution. Long-term I think this speaks to the fact that the for: store is separate and probably shouldn't be. They should be your bookmarks, just not created by you, and perhaps not visible in the default view. I like the idea of other kinds of bookmarks, including for'd and retired. Perhaps watched, commented on, voted on, so on and so forth. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin R. Miller Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:48 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] for: private RSS feed On Apr 27, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Joshua Schachter wrote: There isn't any way to generate the keys programmatically. It's something we could consider adding to the API, but you can already get to private items via the API... Thanks. I'm not sure I understand, though -- I'm talking about getting the list of links that are being sent to you by others with for: tags. It's available as an RSS feed, but that private key is needed and requires some copying and pasting out of the web page to use it. -- Justin R. Miller Code Sorcery Workshop http://codesorcery.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Relaunch?
bookmarks) and needs to be significantly rethought. This will probably not happen until post-relaunch, unfortunately. When will this relaunch take place? Not before it's ready, mmm.
RE: [ydn-delicious] Relaunch?
We've been working on it since October. It's a huge overhaul on the backend (this time architected by people who aren't me, which is probably good) plus a frontend redesign (some new styling, plus the opportunity to get rid of the impacted css and javascript crud.) Not a lot of new stuff in there, although we are adding some things that are VERY frequently asked for (bulk-ish editing, alphabetical sort, that kind of stuff ... and the blue on pink bit will go). We should be able to go to a MUCH faster release schedule after the new lauch so a lot of the stuff I've been saying we're working on that to for the last year will be able finally get done. We've had one round of user testing to show folks the site (part of the user survey we did a while ago) and are going to try to get more folks to lay hands on it before we flip the switch. A huge amount of it is already done, we're working on the final parts and a lot of performance tuning. Joshua Allright, let's rephrase the question. To what percentage is the relaunch done? How long did it take to get that far? :) Alexander Skwar
RE: [ydn-delicious] Feed of links for others
Because the json feeds run with no authentication, and people could read items sent to you this way. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Luker Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:14 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Feed of links for others Hi, sorry if this is a FAQ. Couldn't find a FAQ. Is there a reason why I can't access a feed of posts I've sent to a user in my network? For example if I'm userA and I've bookmarked several items tagged userB who is in my network, shouldn't I be able to access that feed? I'm trying this url syntax: http://del.icio.us/feeds/json/userA/for:userB But that doesn't seem to work. It just gives me ALL my bookmarks. --jay Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] for: exploits
Please send any examples of this behavior to me. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicola D'Agostino Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:20 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] for: exploits Hi there, At 9:45 -0500 5-06-2007, sheila miguez wrote: The potential for spamming has been brought up when discussing a feature for sending links to non-users, which has me idly wondering if there has already been problems with people creating accounts to exploit for: tags for users that already exist. Yes: as far as I know there have already been instances of people spamming other del.icio.us users joining their network and using the for: tags. -- Nicola D'Agostino !-- www.nicoladagostino.net -- Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] for: exploits
It's totally not going anywhere. Just thinking about how it should work. Maybe the bookmark that gets for'd goes in your actual bookmarks, and belongs to you, but has a from: field? Maybe there should be a way to let you talk to people about things? So on and so forth. This is something I plan to focus on once we get the new backend out the door. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sheila miguez Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:31 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] for: exploits I really do like the feature and encourage my friends with accounts to use it to send me links. I hope the feature doesn't go away. On 6/5/07, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we are reconsidering how this feature is implemented. With any social software there is an opportunity for and danger of spam issues... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Nowak Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:11 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] for: exploits On 05/06/07, sheila miguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] shekay%40gmail.com wrote: The potential for spamming has been brought up when discussing a feature for sending links to non-users, which has me idly wondering if there has already been problems with people creating accounts to exploit for: tags for users that already exist. It seems to me that it could be used for spam or phishing expeditions though I guess it would be less likely to catch people if they noticed it was a stranger sending a link (though sending links from someone who created a mispelled username might get overlooked). This is already the case and, unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a means to remove links in your links for you view... so they linger there. -- -mike Yahoo! Groups Links -- sheila [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] for: exploits
Yeah, we are reconsidering how this feature is implemented. With any social software there is an opportunity for and danger of spam issues... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Nowak Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:11 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] for: exploits On 05/06/07, sheila miguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The potential for spamming has been brought up when discussing a feature for sending links to non-users, which has me idly wondering if there has already been problems with people creating accounts to exploit for: tags for users that already exist. It seems to me that it could be used for spam or phishing expeditions though I guess it would be less likely to catch people if they noticed it was a stranger sending a link (though sending links from someone who created a mispelled username might get overlooked). This is already the case and, unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a means to remove links in your links for you view... so they linger there. -- -mike Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Sending to users without accounts
Yes, we'll probably do this post-relaunch, but it is definitely on the todo list. One interesting issue is how do we separate out sending without saving and not become a spam target? Always more difficulties... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sheila miguez Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:03 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Sending to users without accounts Adding a feature to send links to users without accounts was discussed on the mailing list a while back, but I don't remember if it ever was resolved. Is there going to be a feature like this one day? -- sheila Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Build Communities
Not currently, but the recommendation engine will do this again in the future. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Todd Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:03 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Build Communities I would like to use Delicious to identify people whose interests are the closest to mine and invite them into SIG communities. Is there any way to identify people are have the most similar interests to me, by subject (tag)? Regards, Alex Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] feature request for scheduling
Yeah, I want to do some sort of calendaring-ish functionality. One trouble in my mind is going to be distinguishing in the UI between a calendar view of your history and a calendared view of scheduled items and still keeping the UI lightweight and flexible. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sheila miguez Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:16 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] feature request for scheduling Don't think this would go into the actual service, but thought I would ask. I like tagging things with events (e.g. I want to go to a book signing next month) so that I don't forget them. It would be nice to have the bookmark details pushed to a calendar and automatically added. I do remember that someone at PyCon earlier this year had a web thing that scraped web pages to set up a geekie calendar of events based on fuzzy date and time things. That was cool. So, if not an official doohicky perhaps just a service to snarf bookmarks tagged as event and push the details somewhere would be a nice thing to have. -- sheila Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Database corrupted?
One of the tag cache servers appears to have fallen down. To speed the page generation up we have a separate set of systems that get your tag data and bundle it up into temporary files. This appears to be the source of trouble. I am investigating. Your data is safe. Everything is frequently backed up as well. -- Joshua Schachter, Director Yahoo! Social Search -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sapiro - Pilot Systems Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:22 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Database corrupted? Hi, All my tags are gone, on 1,500+ links. Any one has the same problem? I just posted a note on the support form, hope I get my data back, else it will really be a good example on how you put your trust on an online system and you just wake up and don't have anything left! Dave -- David Sapiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pilot Systems - 9, rue Desargues - 75011 Paris Tel : +33 1 44 53 05 55 - http://www.pilotsystems.net Hébergement Zope et Plone gratuit - http://www.objectis.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Database corrupted?
Last night we rolled out reduntant user tag caches and put loadbalancers in front of them, in case a cache server failed. The load balancer itself appears to have failed. Figures. We are unrolling the configuration and everything should return to normal shortly. I apologize for the inconvenience. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sapiro - Pilot Systems Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:22 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Database corrupted? Hi, All my tags are gone, on 1,500+ links. Any one has the same problem? I just posted a note on the support form, hope I get my data back, else it will really be a good example on how you put your trust on an online system and you just wake up and don't have anything left! Dave -- David Sapiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pilot Systems - 9, rue Desargues - 75011 Paris Tel : +33 1 44 53 05 55 - http://www.pilotsystems.net Hébergement Zope et Plone gratuit - http://www.objectis.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] feature request: suggested alternates for when a tag is not found
This is a good idea. Question: By what mechanisms can you end up on a nonexistant tag page? What can we do to make that happen less? Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sheila miguez Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:49 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] feature request: suggested alternates for when a tag is not found Not sure how noisy this would be, but when attempting to navigate to a tag that does not exist in one's account, it might be nice to show possible alternatives similar to the look of the related tags section. -- sheila Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Link checker for del.icio.us?
This is something we would like to do. However, I am planning on using resources from Yahoo Search, and that is a very big machine and it does things in a very particular way. I would like to someday have per-url metadata (rather than per-bookmark, which is what you have) which would vary from, say, the official title of the book that's represented by an Amazon URL, or maybe the thumbnail of the photograph on Flickr that is bookmarked (we currently do that one via cheating) and so on. Whether the URL has 404'd or been replaced or dissapeared or is now available only in a cache or whatever could be part of this. But this will also take time to develop, and we are hard at work rewriting everything. After we relaunch I think the pace of improvement will pick up a great deal. Additionally, folks writing their own functionality such as this is very valuable. It generates more ideas, it scratches an itch, and so on. By the time we get there we will have seen several tries around what might work and hasn't, and so on. Joshua The best place to put such a link checker are certainly inside del.icio.us itself. Actually, I don't think so. Anyway, the discussion is purely theoretical because we have no idea on wether Yahoo will consider this. That's why I developed disastrous, because we had no commitment of Yahoo on this service. Reason: There can be URLs, which are not reachable from the outside, and thus such a service, if run from the outside would wrongly label those URLs as broken, while in reality, they are just fine. The opposite is also true: Yahoo crawlers probably have better connections than my LittleProvider.com machine and so will have less spurious failures. My main concern about tools like disastrous is that popular links, bookmarked by N persons, will be checked N times... Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Link checker for del.icio.us?
The problem is somewhat harder than it first looks: We have millions and millions of URLs, and some substantial fraction of them won't be able to reached at any given time, but are not actually gone or whatever. So I'm hoping to avoid reinventing a lot of this and are working on using the parts of Yahoo Search that are relevant for this. But a great deal of work remains. (Plug: We're always hiring developers, if you're in or can work in Silicon Valley.) Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Skwar Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:18 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Link checker for del.icio.us? Michael Feher schrieb: This is a feature I have requested and have not heard back about. As it is, I am going through over 1,800 links to check each one. :( The best way would be an automated tool that checks each one and if it cannot connect, gives you the option to pick up a redirect, discard the link, or retry - something like that. Nah, that's not what I'd want - I don't want an interactive tool. I've got like 3000 links and it would be a real pain to step through these 3k links manually, even if it were, let's say, guided. That's why I'd like to have something, which checks and then automatically does something. In the spirit of del.icio.us, does something should be add tags. Alexander Skwar -- Zoidberg: This letter has to be very personal, so I'm writing it in my own ink. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] for: private RSS feed
This indicates a hole in our api and/or thinking and will try to come up with a reasonable short-term solution. Long-term I think this speaks to the fact that the for: store is separate and probably shouldn't be. They should be your bookmarks, just not created by you, and perhaps not visible in the default view. I like the idea of other kinds of bookmarks, including for'd and retired. Perhaps watched, commented on, voted on, so on and so forth. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin R. Miller Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:48 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] for: private RSS feed On Apr 27, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Joshua Schachter wrote: There isn't any way to generate the keys programmatically. It's something we could consider adding to the API, but you can already get to private items via the API... Thanks. I'm not sure I understand, though -- I'm talking about getting the list of links that are being sent to you by others with for: tags. It's available as an RSS feed, but that private key is needed and requires some copying and pasting out of the web page to use it. -- Justin R. Miller Code Sorcery Workshop http://codesorcery.net Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Latin 1, and only Latin 1, lost on tag edit
Are you submitting non-utf8 stuff to begin with? Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of aeohek Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:24 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Latin 1, and only Latin 1, lost on tag edit Hi, When I edit the tags on: http://del.icio.us/url/4720413157054e2059cf355a64300a3c (my username is aidan , right now I'm the only person to have posted that URI), any Latin-1 (excluding ASCII) in a tag means that tag is truncated from the last non-Latin-1 character onwards. This happens both with an Ajax edit and with a full-screen edit. In detail; currently my tags are: japanese language [#934;] [h] [ç] from-peter-t-daniels pasta.cantbedone.org (you can't see them on the URL page right now, it appears to be cached; try http://del.icio.us/tag/%5B%CE%A6%D5 if the cache hasn't expired by the time you read this). #934; is a Greek character, U+30A6, ç is a Latin-1 character, U+00E7. The rest of the characters are US-ASCII. Browser is Firefox 1.5.0.11, platform Windows XP. I edit those tags--I click on edit, then full-screen edit, and add hi-there as a tag, such that the displayed text is now: japanese language [#934;] [h] [ç] from-peter-t-daniels pasta.cantbedone.org hi-there I then click save, and it redirects away from that tag. But when I examine the URL details again, it no longer has a [ç] tag, but it has a new [ tag. It still has the [#934;] tag. The same happens when I edit other tags containing Latin 1, or when I create new entries with tags containing Latin 1. Using the Live HTTP Headers extension, I see that the POST request submitted was: POST /aidan/%5B%C3%A7%5D?779822 url=http%3A%2F%2Fpasta.cantbedone.org%2Fpages%2FPXXU7p.htmold url=http%3A%2F%2Fpasta.cantbedone.org%2Fpages%2FPXXU7p.htmdes cription=%5B%CE%A6%5D%2C+%5Bh%5D+in+Japanesenotes=Cute%3B+Jap anese+went+through+a+historical+development+similar+to+the+%2Ff%2Ftags=japanese+language+%5B% CE%A6%5D+%5Bh%5D+%5B%C3%A7%5D+from-peter-t-daniels+pasta.cantb edone.org+jump=nodate=2007-03-10T14%3A31%3A10Zkey=1540afd50 2e4ce4af3cb2bac8df225d1 which, when URL-decoded and converted to UTF-8, gives this: POST /aidan?312757 url=http://pasta.cantbedone.org/pages/PXXU7p.htmoldurl=http:/ /pasta.cantbedone.org/pages/PXXU7p.htmdescription=[#934;],+[ h]+in+Japanesenotes=Cute;+Japanese+went+through+a+historical+ development+similar+to+the+/f/tags=japanese+language+[#934;] +[h]+[ç]+from-peter-t-daniels+pasta.cantbedone.org+jump=noda te=2007-03-10T14:31:10Zkey=1540afd502e4ce4af3cb2bac8df225d Now, the tags CGI variable is correct there, so this seems to be a server-side problem. I can work around it by renaming the tag [ to [ç], or espa to español. I've made a UTF-8 encoded version of this email at http://www.parhasard.net/del.icio.us-latin-1-problem.txt , since Yahoo Groups appears to prefer to treat it as Latin 1. Best regards, and please tell me if I should report this somewhere else. Aidan Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Del.icio.us for intranets?
We don't really have plans to sell delicious. It takes a lot of moving pieces to set up the system, and does not really run on a single machine anymore, and is built around a bunch of proprietary Yahoo stuff. I believe IBM and BEA have made noises about selling portal software that integrates delicious, though We will be doing group stuff in delicious for this purpose, but that might not be suitable for everyone. The largest stumbling block is a way to have some list of hostnames be auto-private for some group of users. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of colas_nahaboo Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:17 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Del.icio.us for intranets? My team is in charge of our company intranet, and I would love to be able to buy an intranet version of del.icio.us (either a regular application or a del.icio.us box, or maybe a delicious app hosted at delicious but with some kind of - secure - proxy setting to access our intranet). Do other people would have such a need? For now, it seems that we are going to use scuttle/delirious, but we would gladly pay to get the full del.icio.us offering internally instead. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Link Count for Domain
It's on our todo list; I want to have it show up as something like a tag. So what's recently bookmarked at a domain, what's recently popular, etc. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larson, Timothy E. Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:05 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Link Count for Domain shawncassidy11 wrote: Does anybody know if there is currently a way, or is there a plan to make a way to find out how many links to a specific domain there are in Del.icio.us? For example, if I wanted to see how many people were linking to a page on yahoo.com (or more specifically www.yahoo.com), I could just type in 'www.yahoo.com' into the search box and it would count the number of people that have linked to any page on www.yahoo.com. It's nice to be able to see the history on a specific link to see how many people have saved that link, but I want to know how many people are linking to me total. I, too, have been wanting something like this. It could be implemented as a special system: or urldomain: keyword or similar, which could then be searched just like you can for a tag now. Tim -- Tim Larson InterCall, a subsidiary of West Corporation Eschew obfuscation! Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Favicon code in bookmark title
We don't do anything with favicons. Are are you doing something with greasemonkey? Or some other FF extension? Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jan_karjalainen Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:53 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Favicon code in bookmark title This happens to me when I edit a bookmark: 1. I click edit on a bookmark, for instance SystemRescueCd. 2. I change a tag and click save. 3. The bookmark now shows up like this in the list: img src=http://www.sysresccd.org/favicon.ico; border=0 height=16nbsp;SystemRescueCdnbsp;ismall(www.sysresccd .org)/small/i I have to edit and delete the html code surrounding SystemRescueCd in the title field, and save the bookmark again. After the favicon is gone, I can re-edit it without the html code showing up in the title field. Where does the favicon code come from? Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] JSON Delicious.tags
The API has the private data including for: tags. Yes, they're really tags. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Curry Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:58 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] JSON Delicious.tags Thanks, I think I get it. By using I meant, which, if any, API/RSS/JSON/HTML service interface contains my for: elements and the number of times they have been used? My for: tags (they aren't really tags, right?) appear in my tag cloud and are appropriately sized based on number of times used. I'm trying to get at that same info for visualizations other than clouds. So far I can only find my for: elements in the HTML service. That has some hurdles that make it not the easiest thing to use. By the way, HTML responses are not well-formed. They would be tons more useful if they were. - Kevin _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Schachter Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:23 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] JSON Delicious.tags JSON is anonymous. For: stuff is not shown publically. I'm not sure what you mean by using -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@ mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@ mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Curry Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:45 AM To: ydn-delicious@ mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] JSON Delicious.tags Why does Delicious.tags not contain my for: tags? What are you guys using to including them in my tag cloud on my del.icio.us homepage? Thanks much, Kevin Curry Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] RSS feed not updating?
Which feed specifically? We just did a push, stuff should return to normal... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chrisdrackett Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:41 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] RSS feed not updating? I just noticed that my RSS feed hasn't updated in something like 8 hours, and thought that was odd. Is there anything I can do to get it updating, or should I contact someone? Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] JSON Delicious.tags
JSON is anonymous. For: stuff is not shown publically. I'm not sure what you mean by using -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Curry Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:45 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] JSON Delicious.tags Why does Delicious.tags not contain my for: tags? What are you guys using to including them in my tag cloud on my del.icio.us homepage? Thanks much, Kevin Curry Yahoo! Groups Links
[ydn-delicious] non-bookmark things belonging to users
For D2, we've been trying to decide where to put the web pages for each bundle, and it occurs to me that we need to rethink the URL scheme for the various things belonging to a user in delicious. Currently, my bookmarks are at del.icio.us/joshua and my network is del.icio.us/network/joshua ... but if I wanted to see items that have any of the tags in my computers bundle, where would that go? 1) del.icio.us/bundle/joshua/computers = i don't like this because it's really a filter of things underneath /joshua 2) del.icio.us/joshua/bundle/computers = but it's not a tag either 3) del.icio.us/joshua/bundle:computers = not terrible but would break intersections and unions, since it represents a union itself 4) del.icio.us/joshua/cs+programming+java+perl?any = expand out to the constituents? doesn't let me show detail text in the page itself 5) del.icio.us/joshua?bundle=computers = not bad, just ugly Carrying this concept through, I also wonder where things like your profile page would go? del.icio.us/profile/joshua seems much more natural in this case... Any thoughts or wild ideas? Joshua [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [ydn-delicious] Del.icio.us javascript bookmarklet and tags?
We strip the tags and notes. It doesn't make any sense for the user; they want to file it their way, not the publisher's. Same thing for the notes. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett O'Connor Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:25 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Del.icio.us javascript bookmarklet and tags? Yea, that doesn't work. I think the simple /post nukes tags. If you can, post using the URL containing the del.icio.us username as I know that works, like this (where negatendo is the username): http://del.icio.us/negatendo?url=http:// someurl.comtitle=someurl.comnotes=good+url+infotags=url+reference Brett On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:04 PM, gengar003 wrote: Hello... I'm trying to make a form that will take the same inputs as the del.icio.us bookmarking page, and pass those values to the actual page when the user submits. In javascript, I'm using this (url, notes, desc, and tags are all correctly-defined strings): var destination = http://del.icio.us/post?v=4;url=; + encodeURIComponent(url) + ;title=+ encodeURIComponent(desc) + ;tags= + encodeURIComponent(tags)+ ;notes= + encodeURIComponent(notes); to define a URL for the javascript to go to. It works, except for the tags. That is, on my page, there's a form like this ([] = form field): URL: [http://someurl.com] Title: [Some URL ] Notes: [no notes, really ] Tags: [webpage url some ] [submit] When a user submits that, it goes to the del.icio.us add bookmark page, and the fields are filled out like so: URL: [http://someurl.com] Title: [Some URL ] Notes: [no notes, really ] Tags: [ ] [submit] The actual url being used, (when I document.write() it before going to the URL) includes all four field/value pairs. Why is del.icio.us recognizing the description, url, and notes that I pass it, but NOT my tags? What do I have to do to get it to recognize my tags? Thanks in advance. --- Brett O'Connor Blimps Go 90, LLC P: 303-810-8891 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Get my book, del.icio.us Mashups! - ISBN-10: 0470097760) Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: related TAGS broken?
If we posted every thing that broke or caught on fire, nobody would be able to keep up :) -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:50 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: related TAGS broken? Ok, but is there a reason why Delicious does not post these types of announcements on their site or via the blog or an updates section? --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, now I recall - the recommendation server keeps falling down, and taking the site with it. We felt it'd be better to bring it down and sort it out when we had a breather. The recommendations were very stale anyway (the algorithm hasn't been able to keep up for months) and we need to rewrite it. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:29 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] related TAGS broken? I saw a bunch of posts on related TAGS, but nothing on related items. Is this function broken? It has not been working for a few weeks now. I even tested it with www.googl.com, www.yahoo.com, and Del.icio.us . It says del.icio.us did not find any related items at this time. yes, this is a repost, but figured it is an easy YES or NO answer and didn't get a response last time thank you Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Suggestion for Daily Blog Post
Yes, that's in the (eventual) todo list Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paulo Diniz Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Suggestion for Daily Blog Post What about allowing Daily Blog Post to post only new entries with a selected tag? This way users could have a simple way to control what ends up published on their main blog's stream, just by adding one extra tag that could be something like myblog. Currently, i have a del.icio.us most recent section on my blog's sidebar showing all my public recent entries, but i'd like to also have SOME of my new entries registered on my blog's post stream. Thanks for even considering, -Paulo Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: sex spammers
Send to me directly please. No need to link them on the list. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nothingnormal.xanga Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:56 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: sex spammers more here: janettesexporns http://del.icio.us/janettesexporns jonnasexvids http://del.icio.us/jonnasexvids --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rubanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also : MaffinSexFilm http://del.icio.us/MaffinSexFilm AmandaSexyPorns http://del.icio.us/AmandaSexyPorns CorellyGirlSex http://del.icio.us/CorellyGirlSex On 3/26/07, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send reports like this to me. Should be removed shortly. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nothingnormal.xanga Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:54 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] sex spammers I dont know if this has been addressed before. I did a search before making this post. Please is there a way to get rid of sex spammers, its getting really annoying, my subscriptions page is littered with them. I'll post some of the users who do this if that would help These are in my subscriptions alone verasexpornss lilianasexvideos stacykibler misshancock trisstratus mshancock trishtratus mollyholly staceykeebler Yahoo! Groups Links -- Best Regards, Michael Rubanov. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] related TAGS broken?
Ah, now I recall - the recommendation server keeps falling down, and taking the site with it. We felt it'd be better to bring it down and sort it out when we had a breather. The recommendations were very stale anyway (the algorithm hasn't been able to keep up for months) and we need to rewrite it. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:29 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] related TAGS broken? I saw a bunch of posts on related TAGS, but nothing on related items. Is this function broken? It has not been working for a few weeks now. I even tested it with www.googl.com, www.yahoo.com, and Del.icio.us . It says del.icio.us did not find any related items at this time. yes, this is a repost, but figured it is an easy YES or NO answer and didn't get a response last time thank you Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] sex spammers
Send reports like this to me. Should be removed shortly. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nothingnormal.xanga Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:54 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] sex spammers I dont know if this has been addressed before. I did a search before making this post. Please is there a way to get rid of sex spammers, its getting really annoying, my subscriptions page is littered with them. I'll post some of the users who do this if that would help These are in my subscriptions alone verasexpornss lilianasexvideos stacykibler misshancock trisstratus mshancock trishtratus mollyholly staceykeebler Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Web 2.0 BoF?
I think I'm speaking on a panel at Web 2.0 Expo. (What's an expo, anyway?) Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Curry Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:30 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Web 2.0 BoF? Is anyone going to Web 2.0 Expo? Is there a del.icio.us Birds of a Feather or anything like that? Kevin M. Curry Chief Scientist Bridgeborn 596 Lynnhaven Parkway Suite 100 Virginia Beach, VA 23452 Office: 757.437.5000 Mobile: 757.613.8158 Fax: 757.531.7460 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Oddities in delicious
No, that would not be a good assumption. There is a lot of caching, things don't recalculate, there are automatic spam filters, etc. Send me an actual bug description and I can look into it. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Mason Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:50 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Oddities in delicious Would I be right to assume that a lot of information on delicious is not being properly updated right now? I wouldn't normally notice but I'm running a project where 30 people are tagging the same 40 sites in delicious and their counts are not being updated. For example, someone with 40 bookmarks is being told that they have 26 bookmarks. Or if I look at a site that they have all tagged (via the saved by x people link) then no recent data is shown. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/IHFolB/TM -- --~- Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] change my username?
Not currently, no. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:07 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] change my username? i saw a post from Oct 2006 about someone wanting to change their username/ID. it was unclear if there is way to change one's username. is there? cheers Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/IHFolB/TM -- --~- Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: another del2.0 feature req
My worry here is that this is a relatively niche activity, so exposing a UI frob everywhere causes excess ink that will be largely underused. Any ideas? -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicola D'Agostino Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:19 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: another del2.0 feature req --- Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [how to] get directly to a specific single item in del.icio.us Well, it could be either the URL page (/url/oqpweiqweopqwope#username) or something like that. Perhaps /ur/ioqweoiqewoqwoeiqwe/userid might be something interesting. The second one sounds great and more logic to me. We could do a similar thing on the /user/tag+tag#ioqweqoiweioqwe pages, but that could be irritating due th the necessary excess UI stuff needed to expose the links. I think just the first feature would suffice but maybe an UI way to access it, not just using the url, would be easier for the single bookmark pointing/linking/sharing. Nicola D'Agostino http://www.nicoladagostino.net __ __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Google Search Engine
... Probably not, no. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruhunt1972 Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:53 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Google Search Engine Are there any future plans to allow users to place there del.icio.us group and/or individual links into a Google custom search engine?
RE: [ydn-delicious] Where is the long-term popularity data?
They just scrape the site, I think. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kynnjo Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:55 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Where is the long-term popularity data? Hi! The following page http://populicio.us/fulltotal.html http://populicio.us/fulltotal.html periodically lists the all-time most popular sites at del.icio.us. A new ranking is posted every 30 minutes or so. Similarly, other pages at the same site list the most popular del.icio.us bookmarks within various time spans (last 24 hours, last 48 hours, last week, last month). Where does the data to generate these lists come from? I've searched at del.icio.us, but I can't find anything suitable. How does populicio.us do it? Thanks! kj P.S. I did write directly to the author with this question, but I got no reply at all. It's not clear that the address given there is one that is actively read. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Tags with non-Alphebetic characters
I think this is mainly due to issues with + being used as the intersection operator. Send me examples of broken queries and I will look into it. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pdxman43 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:25 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Tags with non-Alphebetic characters This question pick's up on a thread last raised a month ago that I have not seen an answer to. The issue relates to the use of non-alphabetic prefix characters in a tag name. For example, I have used -tagname .tagname :tagname and @tagname in conjunction with a tag bundle schema for a partial approximation of a Dublin Core metadata structure (e.g. -subject_area .source_domain :document_type and @resource_contributor) Unbundled tags (regularly named without a prefix) serve as more usual tag/keyword entries. The problem encounted in mid January is that after a primary selection of a tag with prefix, the related tag + function will either return either an internal error or no items when a second tag with prefix is entered. This approach had worked previously (late 2006) but is now apparetnly invalid. Has the del development team reserved non-alphbetic characters for some future development? Should I devise a new schema for my site? Please see http://del.icio.us/foodresource Thanks! John Henry Wells, Professor Oregon State University Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Commas vs Spaces....Keywords vs Keyterms vs Labels vs Tags....
No, this is intentional, though. We do intend to fix the search via a variety of different ways. My main intention with commas or spaces is to allow people to use the system without having to think so hard about it, if they are not used to thinking that way. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlos Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:07 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Commas vs SpacesKeywords vs Keyterms vs Labels vs Tags Hi everybody, I just added a +post to delicious link on my website and was wondering if there was a way to automatically populate the tags field using the keywords already displayed on the page. For example...if you click on the + post to delicious link on this page... http://pwillett.artremains.com/Home/Art/ViewArt/Default.aspx?A rtGUID=cf494e75-5eb1-49ad-9f14-b2df3e474964 the title and description field are automatically populated but I'm not sure why the tag field doesn't want the keywords. Regarding the commas vs spaces debate...it's much effective to allow comma delineated keywords. On that page the artist included his name as a tag. When you click on his name you'll see all the other artwork that has also has his name. If we only used the space method then his name would be divided into two tags. Doing a search for oil on canvas yields considerably different results then doing a search for oil or a search for on or a search for canvas. There's got to be a bazillion pages tagged by delicious and allowing comma delineated tags will help searches filter through non relevant results. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] blocked
Send your IP address to me directly and we can look into it -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirwood Dirby Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:33 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] blocked I was using the del api for a day, then it stopped working. When I try to retrieve my tags (or any action in fact) I timeout. If I run the exact same code form work, its fine. I wasnt pounding the server so I am not sure what I did to make this happen. Any ideas on how to proceed? Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me
It's always been called del.icio.us... -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of aloysius meñez Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:34 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me How and why did it start to be written with the dots between the syllables? Are there other sectors of delicious.com other than that for ydn? - Original Message - From: Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:01:55 -0800 Like I said, it will be settable but perhaps different defaults for new users in the future, plus some guessing if you use commas anyway. The firefox extension in a few weeks will have its own delicious data store and not mess with the browser bookmarks. On the other hand, we are using delicious as the master and the local is just a copy, and it seems to work fine. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hamish MacEwan Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:40 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me On 2/2/07, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dots: people that wrong way too often (I see de.licio.us and deli.cio.us way more often than I would like) and I'm really wondering if we should just primarily move to delicious.com (and make del.icio.us redirect properly or work etc) Yes, please retain and redirect the old and remove the pain of having to use it. I loved del.icio.us but it is so pr.ecio.us to type. Well done on getting delicious.com On commas vs spaces: I am thinking of letting it be default spaces (for long-time users) or default commas (for new users) or perhaps some middle ground guessing, if the user does [ w x y z ] or [ w, x, y z ] etc. The delimiter would be a setting? Your comment about default implies that is the case. Guessing always seems risky. On the subject of , I've a number of tags that are of the form Title that have never worked properly, ie, http://del.icio.us/Hamish.MacEwan/%22AbreLosOjos%22 claims there are no items. On other subjects, I'd really appreciate the daily blog posting experimental and very useful feature for Wordpress users, bein corrected and made usable by other blog platforms. Google Docs provides an excellent model for this kind of operation. In a way I'm quite pleased that demand growth and resource constraint has limited the degree of visible improvement of del.icio.us. Back end changes generally improve things, but the del.icio.us plug-in that messes with client bookmarks is something I will never install. The whole point, for me, of del.icio.us is to have access to my links from browsers I don't control, and my experiences with GoogleSync and the stories on this list suggest these things never perform to spec. Joshua Hamish. -- http://protopage.com/Hamish.MacEwan Yahoo! Groups Links = Make Money from Your Home Make extra money through online surveys. Earn $100's to $1000's/month. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3df50953ec 2451eccebd3eaddb33d63c Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me
Like I said, it will be settable but perhaps different defaults for new users in the future, plus some guessing if you use commas anyway. The firefox extension in a few weeks will have its own delicious data store and not mess with the browser bookmarks. On the other hand, we are using delicious as the master and the local is just a copy, and it seems to work fine. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hamish MacEwan Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:40 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me On 2/2/07, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dots: people that wrong way too often (I see de.licio.us and deli.cio.us way more often than I would like) and I'm really wondering if we should just primarily move to delicious.com (and make del.icio.us redirect properly or work etc) Yes, please retain and redirect the old and remove the pain of having to use it. I loved del.icio.us but it is so pr.ecio.us to type. Well done on getting delicious.com On commas vs spaces: I am thinking of letting it be default spaces (for long-time users) or default commas (for new users) or perhaps some middle ground guessing, if the user does [ w x y z ] or [ w, x, y z ] etc. The delimiter would be a setting? Your comment about default implies that is the case. Guessing always seems risky. On the subject of , I've a number of tags that are of the form Title that have never worked properly, ie, http://del.icio.us/Hamish.MacEwan/%22AbreLosOjos%22 claims there are no items. On other subjects, I'd really appreciate the daily blog posting experimental and very useful feature for Wordpress users, bein corrected and made usable by other blog platforms. Google Docs provides an excellent model for this kind of operation. In a way I'm quite pleased that demand growth and resource constraint has limited the degree of visible improvement of del.icio.us. Back end changes generally improve things, but the del.icio.us plug-in that messes with client bookmarks is something I will never install. The whole point, for me, of del.icio.us is to have access to my links from browsers I don't control, and my experiences with GoogleSync and the stories on this list suggest these things never perform to spec. Joshua Hamish. -- http://protopage.com/Hamish.MacEwan Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me
Yeah, definitely. The old way will continue to work (I prefer it that way; have been tagging that way for six years or whatever.) Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicola D'Agostino Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:16 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me Hi there, --- Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On commas vs spaces: I am thinking of letting it be default spaces (for long-time users) or default commas (for new users) or perhaps some middle ground guessing, if the user does [ w x y z ] or [ w, x, y z] etc. I already commented on the del.icio.us blog basically stating that comma or spaces would be both fine as long as the usability doesn't suffer (personally I favor the space since the key is easier to hit when typing). Having a choice would be a very nice solution, even better if we could switch whenever we want from one to the other. p.s. Thanks for sharing with us what's going on at del.icio.us :) Nicola D'Agostino http://www.nicoladagostino.net __ __ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me
We will decouple the login method from the screen name, so no matter what your display name and url will be retained. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of eumaniaq Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:18 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted to the blog, and I want to start the thread here: http://blog.del.icio.us/blog/2007/02/overdue_new_yea.html We've begun working on a new backend and redesign for delicious, and I want to restart the conversation as to where we are and should be going. There's still lots to do (we've just begun) and not a lot has been decided yet, but I want to figure out how to be louder about what we are working on. I apologize for the silence lately and will work harder to end that. Joshua [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is only one request,do not force us to merge our del.icio.us ID to a useless Y!ID,I have a desired nice name on del.icio.us! Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me
Yeah, back in the day. Now it seems to be a source of ongoing confusion. We also have to figure out how to make the new beta site (when it is done) available somewhere to use. I was thinking of having del.icio.us and delicious.com be the two different sites, and then people could try it out; when everyone is migrated, the old del.icio.us would point to the new system, or something. (there's an enormous amount of complexity in this part alone. Ugh) Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mislav Marohnic Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:04 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me On 2/2/07, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really wondering if we should just primarily move to delicious.com(and make del.icio.us redirect properly or work etc) Too bad - the domain name was one of the primary reasons for del.icio.usfame -m [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me
Ooh, or semicolons in Vista: http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/geek-to-live--tag-files-and-save-se arches-in-windows-vista-232891.php Comma seems better than that, as the natural list operator, at least for english. (Are there significantly many commalike characters in other languages?) -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Schachter Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:51 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me Space-delimited things is a command-line thing: $ perl ./blah.pl argument 1 arg2 arg3 etc. So, yeah, we are coming up with some test cases and unit tests to go with. [ san francisco ] = what to do here? [ a b c d ] = probably 3 tags. [ a b, c d ] = probably 2 tags. [ a b ] = ?? And so on. I'm thinking of changing that (space delimited) thing to be a clickable widget to let you change the default, and someday future new users will default to comma, or something like that. As for network, we plan to do something like that. I would like to expose more of your social sphere throughout more of the site. The problem with it is that organizing the data for that is quite hard... As an aside, I don't get the point of OPML; seems way overcomplicated and underspecified for something that doesn't seem very complicated... -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:35 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: starting del 2.0 and more communication from me Joshua Schachter writes: Dots: people that wrong way too often (I see de.licio.us and deli.cio.us way more often than I would like) and I'm really wondering if we should just primarily move to delicious.com (and make del.icio.us redirect properly or work etc) On commas vs spaces: I am thinking of letting it be default spaces (for long-time users) or default commas (for new users) or perhaps some middle ground guessing, if the user does [ w x y z ] or [ w, x, y z ] etc. I like the middle-ground guessing idea; if the user uses the wrong form -- [ w, x, y z ], in my opinion, *COMMAS SUCK* ;) -- accept the input, but issue a minor warning about it. (You could probably safely assume that the presence of a comma in the tag list indicates comma-separation.) Feature req: any chance of native OPML export from the Network, and some kind of hotlinks/spicylinks-style algorithm for link selection there? It'd be cool to render spicylinks obsolete ;) (see http://taint.org/2006/09/06/152615a.html) --j. Joshua Hi Joshua, I'm looking forward to the new features. Regarding your questions in the blog post, I vote for keeping the dots in the name, and keeping space separated tags. Brian --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted to the blog, and I want to start the thread here: http://blog.del.icio.us/blog/2007/02/overdue_new_yea.html We've begun working on a new backend and redesign for delicious, and I want to restart the conversation as to where we are and should be going. There's still lots to do (we've just begun) and not a lot has been decided yet, but I want to figure out how to be louder about what we are working on. I apologize for the silence lately and will work harder to end that. Joshua [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
[ydn-delicious] starting del 2.0 and more communication from me
I just posted to the blog, and I want to start the thread here: http://blog.del.icio.us/blog/2007/02/overdue_new_yea.html We've begun working on a new backend and redesign for delicious, and I want to restart the conversation as to where we are and should be going. There's still lots to do (we've just begun) and not a lot has been decided yet, but I want to figure out how to be louder about what we are working on. I apologize for the silence lately and will work harder to end that. Joshua [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Request For Feature
Yeah, but we could also cache the facvicon. There's so many bizare cross-site browser security issues it makes makes me hide under my desk and cry. (I recently saw one javascript hack that lets any site see if their the browser has any other site in their history. Ugh) Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:35 PM To: nothingnormal.xanga Cc: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Request For Feature On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:22:18PM -, nothingnormal.xanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 382 lines which said: A somewhat unrelated idea, how about adding favicons next to bookmarks? There is a big privacy risk: anyone who visits del.icio.us/yourname will fetch a favicon and so will be visible by the webmaster of the bookmarked site (along with a Referer field that will show that he came from del.icio.us). Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Request For Feature
This is definitely on our roadmap at some point. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Feher Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:35 PM To: delicious Subject: [ydn-delicious] Request For Feature delicious team - I am putting my request in the hat for a new convenience feature that allows you to see/track when your last access to a particular bookmark is, much like iTunes play counts. This would help determine links that you could free because they are no longer of use to you, for example. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Curious re quotes
Yes, we have identified the problem and are going to repair the broken items ASAP. (What happened? When we pushed five new webservers, they used a slightly different and more suprising build of the actual web serving software.) Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Wiik Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:47 AM To: Delicious Mailing List Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Curious re quotes Joshua Schacter asked: How do you post? Bookmarklets or firefox plugin etc? I've been using Safari and the bookmarklet that invokes a little popup window. It looks like the delicious team has identified the problem. It did seem like when I replaced all non-vanilla-ascii from the field which contains the title, that the double-escaping problem went away. As if it goes into a mode on detecting upper ascii or something and applies that to the entire extended description. I've seen it before once or twice. Thanks, -Mike Michael Wiik Messagenet Communications Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Curious re quotes
How do you post? Bookmarklets or firefox plugin etc? -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Wiik Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:32 AM To: Delicious Mailing List Subject: [ydn-delicious] Curious re quotes I often pull text from a page for the extended description field, and note that sometimes literal quote marks () get turned into quot; on the del.icio.us page. I am curious why this occurs, assume perhaps there is something else in the title or description that is causing this to be double-escaped or something... Thanks, -Mike Michael Wiik Messagenet Communications Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Searching your bookmarks is broken for me
One webserver failed in an interesting manner. We've pulled it from rotation and are going to take it outside and light it on fire. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of oberon00 Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:27 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Searching your bookmarks is broken for me An update: sometimes it's returning too few results, other times it's spewing garbage that looks like perl or php... A brief snippet of this appears below. %args $dbh $auth_user = '' $all = '' # the search query if viewing everyone $user = '' # the search query if viewing user $web = '' # the search query if y! web search $p = '' # p combined with type makes the full query, unless one of the above type args is set explicitly $search = '' # a synonym for all for backwards compat until unneeded $type = 'all' # all, user, or web $page = 1 # page $src = undef # the delicious ffox/moz plugin sets this to 'moz' $browser = '' $items = 10 %init # running a separate query via /posts/fetch_md5s_user_id to get the users tags, # descriptions, and ...etc... Mike Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Searching your bookmarks is broken for me
Is this via search or via the tag page? Email me your userid and I can look into it. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of oberon00 Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:32 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Searching your bookmarks is broken for me Well, AFAICT I'm not seeing the spew any more, but I'm still stuck with the original problem. For example, I have many links about the programming language Python. Over 350 of them are tagged Python. However, when I search for Python I only get 8 results -- only the posts from 2 days ago or more recent. Mike Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] numbers in parentheses when adding tags via firefox extension
Signal strength. Five bars means good reception, etc. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of oberon00 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:47 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] numbers in parentheses when adding tags via firefox extension When I'm using the Firefox extension and adding tags by typing, a dropdown appears with possible completions. The weird part is that for each completion, there is a number in parentheses. What does this number mean? Mike Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Blogware daily blog posting
That's the error being returned to delicious by blogware... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hamish MacEwan Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:15 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Blogware daily blog posting Hi, I'm trying to use the daily blog post feature with my blog at http://Hamish.blogware.com but get the following error, which forgive me, is a bit obscure: results:Running at Sat Jan 6 12:30:34 2007 GMTbrFetched 1 items.brmetaWeblog.newPost fault was: Expecting [TrueClass, FalseClass] as argument 5, got Fixnumbr Has anyone succeeded in getting this feature to work with Blogware? No sign of blogware in the list archives, except under rather unfortunate circumstances... I've also approached my blogware retailer for assistance. Hamish. -- http://protopage.com/Hamish.MacEwan Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] UI question - simplifying the tag cloud rendering
Not really. Does Wii/Opera save cookies? I thought list view was the default. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:01 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] UI question - simplifying the tag cloud rendering Hi all -- I have a pretty extensive bookmark collection at http://del.icio.us/jm , which I use heavily and rely on. I also have a Nintendo Wii. The Wii has a pretty good web browser, based on Opera. Unfortunately it's not the fastest at text layout and rendering, and my zillions of tags mean that any of my bookmark pages takes several *minutes* to render. Since I was hoping to bookmark http://del.icio.us/jm/wii and use it as a useful start page on the Wii, this is a bummer for me. ;) Is there a way I can set how my tag cloud appears (to non-logged-in users specifically)? I'd say view as list would probably help. --j. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] UI question - simplifying the tag cloud rendering
What's the wii do with RSS feeds? Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:41 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] UI question - simplifying the tag cloud rendering hi Joshua! oops, you're right, it is the default. I'd assumed it was cloud by default, my mistake. It still takes several minutes to render, but once it does, I can hit use minimum 5, it's saved in the cookie, and when I come back later (via the bookmark), it works. Sorted. Anyway, worth noting -- the Wii text renderer is really slow on del.icio.us for some reason. :( It might be worth defaulting Wii visitors to use 5 minimum anyway, if you do that kind of user-agent-matching thing. --j. Joshua Schachter writes: Not really. Does Wii/Opera save cookies? I thought list view was the default. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:01 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] UI question - simplifying the tag cloud rendering Hi all -- I have a pretty extensive bookmark collection at http://del.icio.us/jm , which I use heavily and rely on. I also have a Nintendo Wii. The Wii has a pretty good web browser, based on Opera. Unfortunately it's not the fastest at text layout and rendering, and my zillions of tags mean that any of my bookmark pages takes several *minutes* to render. Since I was hoping to bookmark http://del.icio.us/jm/wii and use it as a useful start page on the Wii, this is a bummer for me. ;) Is there a way I can set how my tag cloud appears (to non-logged-in users specifically)? I'd say view as list would probably help. --j. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] network subscription
Probably not very likely; seems like a good way to make the server explode. -j -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nothingnormal.xanga Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:03 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] network subscription I do alot of exploring in the del.icio.us network and sometimes i see other users' network that are really interesting, is there a way to subscribe to users' network instead of just adding the user to your own network, i dunno if i make any sense. thanks mario64 Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] RSS feeds of private bookmarks
Not currently, but it is on the buglist. Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of imgrb Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:40 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] RSS feeds of private bookmarks I know this may sound stupid, but is there a way to get an RSS feed of bookmarks that are private? I have a group of feeds that I would like to add to my Firefox Live Bookmarks, but they are marked as private. I can't make them public for security reasons. I just wanted to have a bookmark that would automatically update itself when I added more links to the tags in Firefox. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Hiding Tags and Auto Bundles
Hmm, automatic bundles have been on the list for a while. I'll check how hard it might be to get done earlier... I guess this highlights the fact that not all metadata is a tag... I'd love to do some sort of mechanism for saving this data without necessarily making it into tags. -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lott Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:17 PM To: del.icio.us discussion list Subject: [ydn-delicious] Hiding Tags and Auto Bundles I've been using the uri:asin:xxx tag assuming that sometime in the future it might enable some interesting auto-linking stuff. And even if it doesn't, I need some kind of convention for tags used when I pull feeds elsewhere. Similarly, I 'd like to use something like: author:last,first etc... But even with just using the standard uri tag, the display of such tags are starting to be irritating. It would be cool to be able to hide classes of tag from display. There's no reason to, by default at least, need to see all the uri:asin links in this page, for instance: http://del.icio.us/fncll/ToRead Also, it would nice to be able to have all tags with a certain name, prefix, or of a type added to a bundle. So all uri:asin:x tags would be automatically added to the zBookRefs bundle on my list... c Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Seriously needed features.
I prefer that items open in a new tab too, so I hold down apple while clicking (when I'm on Safari) and control (when I'm on Firefox.) This works everywhere. I think it is weird to have behavior that is significantly different than the rest of the web... -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of noachstern Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:28 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Seriously needed features. At risk of inflaming further this somewhat circular topic, let me add my vocal support for magnoliasoutherly's quite reasonable request. All that's being asked by m-s and by me (and others) is to be able to set a default behaviour for openng tags and bookmarks. Some people prefer same-window/current-tab, others prefer new window etc etc. I have always preferred new-tab. This is not a debate about which method is best or should be enforced. Where's your commitment to usability and total user freedom guys? Why force some users to use a method YOU think best and THEY hate? Not a good sign, mate as we say here down-under; and goodonya magnolia (up there azalea, well-known footy-garden song). Best wishes for holiday season and refreshed nerves to youse all ... er, y'all --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, Mislav Marohnić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/06, magnoliasoutherly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Need improved compatibility with other frequently (top ten) used extensions such as Tab Mix Plus and IE tab. IE tab for me works just fine. As for other extensions, you can be sure they are working on it. * A way to permanently select DO NOT SHARE. This is an option I support having on the service level, not just the extension level. But as it is easier and quicker to implement in the extension, you can ask for this on the extension mailing list (search the archives first). * Already mentioned but well worth mentioning again... I want to be able to always have selected bookmarks open in a new tab. Users choose what to open in a new window or tab, not web authors. This is an option I don't suggest you count on getting. Delicious respects its users by giving them freedom the click on the links any way they like (ordinary click, CTRL+click, SHIFT+click, middle mouse button click), that's great. Try clicking a link with your middle mouse button (or scroll wheel). Nifty, huh? When you get used to it you will also start to appreciate this freedom of choice. * Ability to edit bookmark URL when hitting the tag button. This should go to the extension ML also; you are posting on the wrong list. But don't bother asking for this feature as it has been requested before and they have filed a ticket for this for sure. Give the guys some time -- Mislav [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: Scheduled Outage on Sunday 12/17 at 12PM PST
Dan, can you try shift-reloading? It sounds like the CSS got cached badly... Joshua -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 6:59 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: Scheduled Outage on Sunday 12/17 at 12PM PST Hello, All, After today's scheduled outage when I go to view any portion of the del.icio.us web site it looks like crap. Specifically the site now looks I'm reading it in a text only browser like Lynx. I am using Internet Explorer 7 and everything was fine up until this outage occured. Here's an example of what the front page looks like to me starting in the upper left hand corner... skip to content del.icio.us your favorites | your network | subscriptions | links for you (8) | post your favorites del.icio.us the web logged in as LazloHollyfeld | settings | logout | help hotlist ¨Cwhat's hot right now on del.icio.us HOT NOW see also: popular | recent CNET Japan Blog - ½u½¡Ì«ÀÉ / Kenn's Clairvoyance£º¥°©`¥°¥ë¤¬Ÿo³¤Ç¤Ï¤Ê¤¤ ¤³¤È¤Ï¥¨¥ó¥¸¥Ë¥¢¤À¤±¤¬Öª¤Ã¤Æ¤¤¤ë save this people 101 first posted by extreme.wave etc. I'm not seeing any issues in Firefox or Opera. Also, in the lower left hand corner of IE7 it now says Done, but with errors on the page and when I click on that error and then click show details it display the details of 3 different error messages (where before this afternoon there were none)... Line: 2 Char: 1 Error: Syntax error Code: 0 URL: http://del.icio.us/ Line: 415 Char: 54 Error: Object doesn't support this property or method Code: 0 URL: http://del.icio.us/ Line: 419 Char: 1 Error: 'Mp3' is undefined Code: 0 URL: http://del.icio.us/; Any ideas? Thanks, Dan Geiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com, nick.nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, As stated in our a href=http://blog.del.icio.us;blog/a today, we're planning a 2 hour outage at noon PST on Sunday. The outage is for implementing performance and stability upgrades, and I just wanted to give this group the heads up. While this outage is in effect, you will not have access to your bookmarks (unless you are using the new 1.3 release of the Firefox extension). Let me know if you have any questions. -n. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: handling of bookmarklets
Nah, probably just a plain old forum. We drown in email over here. It'd be very useful to be able to pin threads and dbe able to direct people to a conversation and all that forum stuff... -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Weymar Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:56 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: handling of bookmarklets I assume the idea is a wiki(???...) Hard (for me, at least) to evaluate without knowing what this real forum would be. In any case, *anything* that makes it easier to reply inline from Gmail would be most welcome(!) Unbelievable how much of a PITA this is now On 12/15/06, Joe Mezzanini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so do I On 12/15/06, John Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] john%40wjsullivan.net wrote: nick.nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] nick%40yahoo-inc.com writes: Communication with users is extremely important to us, and one of the things we're working on right now is to create a real forum for discussing del.icio.us, which is more collaborative and doesn't require a separate login. It should be easier to track and comprehend than a mailing list and our goal is to improve communication and collaboration far beyond what we have today. A mailing list is hard to track and comprehend? FWIW, I prefer the mailing list form. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: handling of bookmarklets
Sorry. We get a lot of email over here and it gets hard to keep track at times. The the delicious firefox extension dev team will get back shortly, since this seems reasonable. Additionally, that team has their own list at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/delicious-firefox-extension/ as well. Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mweymar Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:43 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: handling of bookmarklets --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com , toxmeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com , Matthew Weymar matthew.weymar@ wrote: I used to have some bookmarklets in my FF Bookmarks Toolbar. These seem to be gone - and in particular, are not located in firefox:toolbar where I might have expected to see them -- except that they are bookmarklets, and so probably aren't savable to del(???...) I'd just like to follow up on this question, since it hasn't been answered so far...?! It makes ya wonder, doesn't it? The lack of response A simple We are aware of this, and working on it, even if you're not, would be preferable to Silence. To be clear, what one starts to wonder is: Do you care about stuff like this? About the quality of the service you're offering? About your userbase? and in particular, communicating with us?... After all, it's been more than a month since the topic was raised, and for some, it's a show stopper. This is not meant - hopefully obviously - as a hard time, but rather as a heads up re how these things - the Sounds of Silence - may be interpreted. Now back to the original issue: firefox:toolbar is now showing my bookmarklets. Hurrah!... Thank you!... etc., etc I guess you fixed this. Who knew?... Still, I don't *really* want to have to switch between Recently Bookmarked and firefox:toolbar every time I want access to my bookmarklets. Ideally, I could have *both* firefox:toolbar Recently Bookmarked up simultaneously. I can't figure out how to do this, however. Any suggestions?... Thanks, Matthew (who realizes that this is not, strictly speaking, a del. issue - but it is your extension that is creating this issue, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.) I also used to have several bookmarklets in my toolbar which now have graciously (without warning) disappeared. I'm also not able to re-add them since they all exceed the maximum length of the URL field in the del.icio.us DB... One of the bookmarklets is a password generator (http://labs.zarate.org/passwd/ http://labs.zarate.org/passwd/ ) which I've been using on a daily basis. Not being able to store the bookmarklet anymore stops me from logging in to various sites and forced for me to un-install this new (and in most other respects excellent) extension... Could you please shed some more light how/if/when bookmarklets will be handled by del.icio.us in the near future? Currently this is a show stopper for me! Thanks best, K. -- http://toxi.co.uk/ http://toxi.co.uk/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [ydn-delicious] Search Engine Friendly LinkRolls (source readable)
You can use something like Magpie to pull the RSS feed and render it inline in the server. I believe there are also a few PHP parsers for delicious specifically as well. (Please, for the love of all that is dear, make sure to use caching) Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Lim Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:58 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Search Engine Friendly LinkRolls (source readable) Hi all, I tried using both the JSON and JS feed versions of the linkrolls. Unsurprisingly, when you view the rendered source of the page, I just see the javascript sourcecode. Is there a method to transparently bring in the feeds from delicious such that the final html page is readable by search engines etc? Would a php linkroll work for this purpose? Do any exist for delicious? Thanks, Steve. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[ydn-delicious] RE: related tags not showing ( same as xanadu1979 bug oct 16 )
I set the account to rebuild; hopefully that will fix it. -Original Message- From: Mike Malloch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:20 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Cc: Joshua Schachter; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: related tags not showing ( same as xanadu1979 bug oct 16 ) Hi Everyone Two days ago I noticed that related tags were not showing for the del.icio.us account of a project we work on. The bug seems exactly like the one reported by xanadu1979 on Oct 16, which seemed to clear up quickly. I had hoped this would just pass, but it's been a couple days... account name is NGRF for an example of a display which ought to have related tags, please see http://del.icio.us/NGRF/gender ... this ought to have loads of related tags but there are none at all (as if all the collected items had only singleton tags) This is especially embarassing to us because we have worked hard to get the non-techie project participants actively tagging, and have integrated their collections into the project site with some new JSON-powered interfaces we've written which vividly leverage related tags (and thus look very empty without them :o) (By the way, feel free to re-use those JSON-powered interfaces; we have scheduled a couple days to get them into shape for GPL'd release within a few weeks... just a couple small glitches, a bit of needed documentation, plus we want to support bundles where possible) Below are some json-based examples which show the problem particularly clearly: compare these two pairs of links ( the '-europe' links are for a sister-project which, for the 'gender' tag uses exactly the same related tags ( we co-ordinate the accounts through a script ) http://www.guidance-research.org/EG/equal-opps/gender ... no related tags http://www.guidance-europe.org/country/UK/gen ... plenty of related tags or click any of the tags in the main clouds at http://www.guidance-research.org/about-ngrf/bookmarks .. no related tags http://www.guidance-europe.org/about-site/bookmarks ... plenty of related tags ... again, this account is mostly a subset of the tagging in the NGRF account Any idea what could be causing this? Could it be weirdly related to the capital letters in the account name? Using the lowercase variant in urls makes no difference. Many thanks for the great service, by the way! all the best, Mike -- Mike Malloch, Software Architect, KnowNet Ltd post: 6 Menai View Terrace, Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 2HF, WALES web: http://www.knownet.com email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 (0) 1248 360254 fax: +44 (0) 870 755 9849 messaging: SKYPE: mike_malloch AIM (iChat): [EMAIL PROTECTED] JABBER (google-talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] weblogs: elearning2.0 : http://www.knownet.com/writing/elearning2.0 KNotations (technical): http://knownet.com/Members/mmalloch/blog LinkLog: http://www.knownet.com/writing/elearning2.0/linklog bookmarks: http://del.icio.us/mike_malloch http://www.connotea.org/user/MikeMalloch http://www.knownet.com/Members/mmalloch images/slides: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_malloch identity-commons: http://public.2idi.com/=Mike.Malloch
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all
We current do that on registration. You want us to have that on every post too? How about the API, etc? The problem is deeper than you think, unfortunately. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:23 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all if that is the answer, then why not create an anti-spam keyword feature where you're forced to enter a word shown in a graphic, like so many websites and bloggers do already --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com , smileandnodmonkey jm- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The answer I keep seeing (and I've asked for this, too) is that it would encourage spammers to import lots of bookmarks and make them public in one easy step. Personally, I think if the spammers are preventing the users from getting features they need, then the spammers have already won. But I wish we could at LEAST have the ability to SEE all of our private links at once, like with a system:private tag or something. --- In ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com , somercamb somercamb@ wrote: Is there a way to simultaneously change all bookmarks to private or shared, rather than one by one? I essentially want to share all of them except for a few, so I would SHARE all of them and then go back to the select few and make them private. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all
I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense. Horrible UI, too. For what it's worth, the two other reasons for forcing privacy on the imports are: a) people frequently have corporate-internal sites that shouldn't be exposed and need to be checked by hand b) various places would get spammed by valid but boring links from the various browser defaults. I like the idea of seeing all private items (perhaps an automatically added tag) and want there to be an easier way to modify items in bulk. We do see a great deal of spam activity currently. Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Sib Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all Hi Joshua, Joshua Schachter wrote: We current do that on registration. You want us to have that on every post too? How about the API, etc? The problem is deeper than you think, unfortunately. I think the suggestion is not to do it on every post, but on every batch sharing operation. I guess it wouldn't help much, though, as we are not talking about robots, here, but humans. I have two suggestions: - use the anti-spam keyword idea, as suggested by somercamb, and limit the batch operation to only 20, 50 or 100 bookmarks at a time. This way, for someone legitimately sharing a new import, it would be a bit annoying, but not so much. For a massive spammer, it would be really annoying - keep a record of batch operation. That way, if spam is reported on such an operation, you could roll it back There is one question I'm wondering: what kind of spam are we talking about here, for what volume? Cheers, Ben _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:23 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all if that is the answer, then why not create an anti-spam keyword feature where you're forced to enter a word shown in a graphic, like so many websites and bloggers do already [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all
Thanks for the lecture. Every item is stored with an intent somewhere between storing the saver's attention and attracting attention from other people. Normal users lean to the left on that axis, and spammers to the right. Unfortunately, the actual mechanism for both are largely indistinguishable and it is the intent that matters. Like I said, this is more than a minor annoyance for me and the team. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mislav Marohnic Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all On 10/23/06, somercamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:somercamb%40yahoo.com wrote: if that is the answer, then why not create an anti-spam keyword feature where you're forced to enter a word shown in a graphic, like so many websites and bloggers do already I already explained, but you didn't understand. CAPTCHAs prevent atomated spambots to post comments (on some blogs), register for services and similar things. There are many clever ways spammers figured out to get their bots around CAPTCHAs, but even if they do they are considerably slowed down - they planned to hit these HTML forms hundreds or even thousands of times. On del.icio.us import, to posion tag listings with thousands of spam sites you need only one hit (file upload, to be exact) and that's why their bots don't even matter - spammers can easily take several minutes of their time and upload the file by hand, circumventing any robot-blocking methods del.icio.us team have put up. The trouble here is defining spam on social bookmarking sites. Spam is easily recognized on blog comments, wikis, but on social bookmarking sites like Del the whole point is to submit links to other sites! That means everyone who's using Del is a kind of a spammer - our links appear on our pages, in tag listings, in other people's feeds... Sometimes I stumble upon a bunch of cool JavaScript resources at once and I tag them all at once, resulting in even 10-20 new links in a short amount of time. To some people who are not interested in JavaScript that is spam, but to most of the people on Del it isn't, since it is one of the most popular topics. Some of my friends already complained about me spamming them with Ruby on Rails links :) So new Del users want to share hundreds, sometimes thousands of their cool links at once by importing from their browsers, other social services... That's OK, we want to allow that, do we? But spammers want to do exactly that, too - they only want to share their cool sites about poker, viagra, mortgage loans (and similar) with us. They want to do it because people then go to those sites and actually buy viagra, play poker and takeloans. And not only spammers make money by sharing links - many people get money too as ad revenue by submitting links to their own sites and articles they wrote. We can't blame them for that. If we can first define spam on social bookmarking sites, only then we can start talking about slowing it down or even blocking it. Joshua, did/does del.icio.us have problems with automated postings or spamming by hand? Did the team take some measures to detect those? Are users blocked when they make too much simultaneous posts? We'd like to hear your experiences. -- Mislav [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all
Not a terrible idea. Hmm. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Sib Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:09 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all Another idea of a compromise: how about a state between private and shared, where imported bookmarks are accessible to people who specifically access your profile, but do not add up to the global stats. This way, people (like me...) who use del.icio.us more as a storing tool could consult their imported bookmarks without logging in. Joshua Schachter wrote: I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense. Horrible UI, too. For what it's worth, the two other reasons for forcing privacy on the imports are: a) people frequently have corporate-internal sites that shouldn't be exposed and need to be checked by hand b) various places would get spammed by valid but boring links from the various browser defaults. I like the idea of seeing all private items (perhaps an automatically added tag) and want there to be an easier way to modify items in bulk. We do see a great deal of spam activity currently. Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ben Sib Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all Hi Joshua, Joshua Schachter wrote: We current do that on registration. You want us to have that on every post too? How about the API, etc? The problem is deeper than you think, unfortunately. I think the suggestion is not to do it on every post, but on every batch sharing operation. I guess it wouldn't help much, though, as we are not talking about robots, here, but humans. I have two suggestions: - use the anti-spam keyword idea, as suggested by somercamb, and limit the batch operation to only 20, 50 or 100 bookmarks at a time. This way, for someone legitimately sharing a new import, it would be a bit annoying, but not so much. For a massive spammer, it would be really annoying - keep a record of batch operation. That way, if spam is reported on such an operation, you could roll it back There is one question I'm wondering: what kind of spam are we talking about here, for what volume? Cheers, Ben _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:23 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: sharing all / privatizing all if that is the answer, then why not create an anti-spam keyword feature where you're forced to enter a word shown in a graphic, like so many websites and bloggers do already [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] media files
http://del.icio.us/tag/system:media:video+cats i do wonder if switching to / as a separator might be prettier, but some people put those in their tags. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of somercamb Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:30 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] media files In regards to the media tagging (http://del.icio.us/help/mediafiletypes http://del.icio.us/help/mediafiletypes ), is there a way to include a tag with the media tag? i have tried various methods of this, but no luck i.e. http://del.icio.us/tag/system:media:video/cats http://del.icio.us/tag/system:media:video/cats [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Related tags not showing up for my tags.
Strange bug. I'm looking into it now. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jimmy Buck Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:33 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Related tags not showing up for my tags. For some reason, all of the sudden, the related tags don't show up when I click on one of my tags now. I used to see the related tags like at the bottom of this page http://del.icio.us/help/bookmarks. http://del.icio.us/help/bookmarks. One of my most commonly used tags is minneapolis (http://del.icio.us/xanadu1979/minneapolis http://del.icio.us/xanadu1979/minneapolis ), it has a bunch of related tags, but they don't show up now. It's really affecting my ability to use the site. Can anyone provide any insight? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Searching issue resolved by re-importing, but had to make all public AGAIN!
I don't think posting to the list or posting to the blog is the right way to get this out. We'll fix the message at the top notification thing to do this more easily (currently it only goes out with software releases) so we can do this. We've been in deep firefighting mode this week, however _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larson, Timothy E. Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:09 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Searching issue resolved by re-importing, but had to make all public AGAIN! Toby Elliott wrote: While I'm discussing rebuilds, I'm pleased to announce that the new url history backend is now in place and should be much faster. However, like the search, it's taking a while to generate all the data and you may see incorrect 'no history' pages for the next couple of days. I do expect this one to finish much faster. Is this sort of thing announced anywhere on the site, or is being on this list the only way to understand these otherwise-inexplicable service outages? Tim -- Tim Larson West Corporation, Interactive TeleServices Eschew obfuscation! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Block/Supress Bookmarks from Specific Users
If the user is being abusive, please send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:32 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Block/Supress Bookmarks from Specific Users Hello, I've read the FAQ but couldn't find anything about this feature so I thought I'd e-mail this discussion list. Is there anyway that I could set a global supress tag for certain users. For example if a tag that I regularly read is being spammed by a user and I'd like to never see tags from that user again? If there is no way to do this could I recommend this as a feature? Thanks In Advance, Dan Geiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dgeiser13%40gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: URL scheme restriction
We currently have a whitelist. We're working on making more stuff work (but privately only) but it is dangerous due to unknown security risks... -j _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeremy_nimmo Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:32 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: URL scheme restriction Is it necessary for telnet:// URLs to be warning marked? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Graphs of tag popularity?
http://del.icio.us/help/json/network http://del.icio.us/help/json/network is the json API for network. There's no normal API for some reason. There is definitely a feed of your RSS network, though... _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Curry Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:54 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Graphs of tag popularity? Network graphs should be interesting (though, different kinds of graph). But I don't find an API interface or RSS feed for my network. Are these available? Pat's idea is about tag relationships. Are there interfaces for that or do they have to be constructed from other outputs? Kevin M. Curry Chief Scientist, Bridgeborn http://www.bridgeborn.com http://www.bridgeborn.com http://www.bridgeborn.com http://www.bridgeborn.com 596 Lynnhaven Parkway, Suite 100 Virginia Beach, VA 23452 Office: 757.437.5000 Mobile: 757.613.8158 Fax: 757.531.7460 _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joshua Schachter Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:00 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Graphs of tag popularity? interesting idea. one problem is normalization: pretty much everything is a standard hockey-stick graph _ From: ydn-delicious@ mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@ mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Hall Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:48 PM To: ydn-delicious@ mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Graphs of tag popularity? Hi, Random idea: I think it would be very interesting to see stock-market-style graphs of which tags are the most popular. Personally, I'd like to compare names of human languages: How does Spanish compare to Español? Español vs Português? and so on. But that's just me; I imagine computer language comparisons would be interesting to loads of people, as would a top ten graph. Just a thought. Best regards Pat Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: is del.icio.us a social news service?
I don't really like ratings -- why would you want to bookmark something that isn't good? But the general case where you are researching a bunch of things, sometimes you wish to achieve completeness within the category and then note the actual resources that were good. Perhaps just a gold star next to the items you think are good? I dunno. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:00 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: is del.icio.us a social news service? Hi all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:bretto%40blimpsgo90.com wrote: From: Brett OConnor [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:bretto%40blimpsgo90.com To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Re: is del.icio.us a social news service? Users primarily focus on aggregating what are the most trusted and useful resources, not just what is hot. True, there is the del.icio.us front page, but beyond that much of the way del.icio.us works is focused on RETURNING to your bookmarks long after you've saved them. I hope that del.icio.us continues to promote this idea, because ultimately it makes del.icio.us matter more than those other two guys. :D I second that. Never ever think of introducing rating of tags/bundles/links. People will at first waste time and energy rating links, then realize what they've been doing, and curse del.icio.us for the waste of time and energy. Best not to put any collaborative feature apart from the existing subscribe and network. Simple, clean, effective. Not a feature-rich energy sink. Regards, Joe. __ Get your FREE TheDoghouseMail email address at http://www.thedoghousemail.com http://www.thedoghousemail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Re: is del.icio.us a social news service?
I read both digg and reddit, myself. I think of them as a kind of forum, with interesting rules and very visible incentive systems. Because delicious is a system that is first for your own use and other people after that, those incentives are not hugely relevant nor are they appropriate for the health of the system. That's not to say some of the metrics we show aren't completely unrelated nor are there incentives that may be appropriate for the social side of delicious, for example. One thing I've been toying with is some notion of who-finds-stuff-first measurement, but our dataset is so large that my code has been running for more than six weeks (!!!) and is only partway through. I'm pretty interested in who-finds-stuff-first but even more so: what did they find today? etc. Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Froh Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:14 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Re: is del.icio.us a social news service? While I'm not as crazy about Digg and others like I am about del.icio.us(because of its simplicity and usefulness), I still think we need to enhance the social part of del.icio.us. Right now it's hard to find (read: takes too much time) distinguished bookmarkers. Some friends also didn't find *me* until I told them the username. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by distinguished -- is it, most bookmarks? Most active? Largest tag distribution? IMHO, all of those metrics are potentially problematic in the same way that you can't necessarily judge the *quality* of a story on digg by popularity. My vote (if I get one) is to keep it simple -- so far that's been the reason I prefer del to the other bookmarking tools. geoff seattle, usa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Graphs of tag popularity?
interesting idea. one problem is normalization: pretty much everything is a standard hockey-stick graph _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Hall Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:48 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Graphs of tag popularity? Hi, Random idea: I think it would be very interesting to see stock-market-style graphs of which tags are the most popular. Personally, I'd like to compare names of human languages: How does Spanish compare to Español? Español vs Português? and so on. But that's just me; I imagine computer language comparisons would be interesting to loads of people, as would a top ten graph. Just a thought. Best regards Pat Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Can del.icio.us update an existing link automatically?
It's an interesting idea, but there are lots of issues with implementation. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Villarosa Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:11 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Can del.icio.us update an existing link automatically? Hi Joshua, But do you think it'd be a good feature? Scott -Original Message- From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joshua Schachter Sent: Monday, 25 September 2006 1:44 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ydn-delicious] Can del.icio.us update an existing link automatically? We do not currently connect to the sites bookmarked and thus cannot detect a 301 Moved Permanently. We also do not change the contents of bookmarks (except to declaw unknown protocol types, and then reversibly with the doc/dangerous# link.) So far as I know, browser bookmarks implementations do not do this either. _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com mailto:ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Villarosa Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:25 PM To: del.icio.us - Discuss Subject: [ydn-delicious] Can del.icio.us update an existing link automatically? I apologise in advance if this has been brought up before. So, I change the domain on my website and create an .htaccess file to redirect search engines to my new pages. I use a 301 redirect to achieve this (see [1]). I'm thinking that it would be great if del.icio.us could pick up on this too though and therefore change a user's existing entry (of my website's old bookmark at [2]) accordingly to pick up on my new changes (the domain). This would obviously prevent broken links on del.icio.us (for those using such a redirect). Perhaps even more stuff too? What do you think? I ask this because eventually I will remove the 301 redirect from my old domain. Thanks, Scott [1] http://www.webconfs.com/how-to-redirect-a-webpage.php http://www.webconfs.com/how-to-redirect-a-webpage.php http://www.webconfs.com/how-to-redirect-a-webpage.php http://www.webconfs.com/how-to-redirect-a-webpage.php [2] http://s90215429.onlinehome.us/sjvilla79/blog/2005/07/using-gmail-to-fin http://s90215429.onlinehome.us/sjvilla79/blog/2005/07/using-gmail-to-fi n d-do http://s90215429.onlinehome.us/sjvilla79/blog/2005/07/using-gmail-to-fi http://s90215429.onlinehome.us/sjvilla79/blog/2005/07/using-gmail-to-fi nd-do wnloads-on.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Problem with sending links to network members due to mixed case usernames
sounds like a bug, we're on it _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of valis.anok Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:25 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] Problem with sending links to network members due to mixed case usernames I hope this hasn't been covered, but I couldn't find any posts about it. I noticed that when sending links to my girlfriend using for:username they would sometimes arrive right away for her and other times days later. I just took this as how long the process takes, but she figured out that it's because her username has a capital letter. If I send something to her with for:Username it arrives almost immediately in her Links for you, if I use for:username it takes longer sometimes not arriving. I global changed all my for:username to for:Username and she got all the missing ones in her Links For You. I solved that mystery, but the problem is that all the letters for your for: network tags are in lowercase, even if a user's name has upper case. The uppercase letters show up in your list of users in Your Network, but the tags under your network on the actual tagging screen (or the suggested tags while typing) are only lower case. I work around this by clicking on for:username and then replacing the first letter with a capital, but I would rather just use the mouse. Thanks in advance. Joel http://del.icio.us/anvalisok http://del.icio.us/anvalisok [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] plural namespaces, link topology
Yeah, obviously there are varying degrees of congruence between terms and things, but I wonder how to make something like this with a user interface most will be able to understand? Otherwise there won't be enough information to actually get used. Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of philodygmn Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:35 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] plural namespaces, link topology So, have you guys thought about tying usernames to tag instances so that there's communities of ppl within tags and you're not pissing in someone's pool if you decide to start using the term in a little different sense? You might almost say that surfing the topology of links within a tag is the more important activity on the web, be it Google's terms or del.icio.us's tags, the point being to not lock people into a single namespace the way Google, Yahoo!, del.icio.us and everyone is doing now (DNS, anyone...?!). The web itself is barely any better, many-to-many links but still locked into single-DNS, single-namespace URLs :-[ Anyway, finding some way of leveraging link topology and not locking ppl into a single namespace I think would vastly increase value to users. Preferrably in some generalized, shareable/combinable/exportable open format http://web.mac.com/dynamist/iWeb/dynamist/ideas/745CBAE8-57F9-44A9-8328 \ -E4C4C9CC2275.html http://web.mac.com/dynamist/iWeb/dynamist/ideas/745CBAE8-57F9-44A9-8328 -E4C4C9CC2275.html (where's the W3C, on this, have you guys talked to them on this score, at all...? There's the symantic web, but I'm just talking about an adjunct to hypertext's functionality, symantic web's a whole 'nother ball of wax, isn't it...?). I'd say it's almost like PGP trust networks, as to inferring topology from non-flat namespaces... How about letting people arbitrarily associate tags with entries so you could say this one's totally this tag, but this other is sort of tangential but should still be associated with a post...? And not just by order listed, because maybe you want all but one, say, weakly associated, rather than any second term's being X strength, let alone the more you have the less any of them would be (what if they're all extremely strong?). I know you want ppl to use tags judiciously and most ppl wouldn't, but the ppl who do it right would get visibility everyone can use... Kind of, establish their own ecologies within a tag, that way, maybe a hierarchical Netflix queue-like interface for accessibility and maybe a Web 2.0 drag-and-link node interface http://web.mac.com/dynamist/iWeb/dynamist/ideas/A3A2384A-E06D-45C0-A843 \ -BB3E9B7E2881.html http://web.mac.com/dynamist/iWeb/dynamist/ideas/A3A2384A-E06D-45C0-A843 -BB3E9B7E2881.html a la Shake or DiggSpy for your main interface http://web.mac.com/dynamist/iWeb/dynamist/ideas/C276D8F5-29AD-4F34-A288 \ -D8B9F68C1BA3.html http://web.mac.com/dynamist/iWeb/dynamist/ideas/C276D8F5-29AD-4F34-A288 -D8B9F68C1BA3.html ? I know, easy to say, but have you thought about it :-)? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] invitations
a good idea -j _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Weymar Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:28 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] invitations I'm curious why del doesn't have - unless I've missed it - an invitation system (such as Flickr has)?... I met someone this morning, and happened to mention a link I saved recently, and she expressed interest in it. The easiest thing for me would be to tag it for:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:X%40Y.com , e.g Matthew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Change Date of post?
One interesting idea: The tag items store their own index numbers (in this case, the creation date of the post.) One idea would be to store instead the time the tag was added to the item, which would USUALLY be the time the item was created. Still, lots of complexities abound here... -j _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lott Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:20 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Change Date of post? On 9/7/06, Darren Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dlc%40sevenroot.org wrote: How about tagging these as read:/MM/DD or something like that? Sure, thanks for the suggestion. But the problem remains that the feed, which shows the most recently read X books still won't show the most recent titles because the date doesn't change when they are updated and I add titles a lot quicker than I read them :) c [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] More features - letter sent to support
Right now we're gearing up to re-architect the backend storage system for both better scaleability (I'm proud of what I built in the past, but now have better/different technologies available) and for better flexibility (so we can inexpensively try out new designs.) Remember that it's easy to do different stuff when there's no installed base... I don't really like doing labs pages or whatever; I really prefer to actually work to the main benefit of all rather than making a bunch of unsupported feints in various directions. We do already do browser bookmark import/exports; further browser integration is coming. I hope to rework the way notes work, how communities and groups can work with the system, etc. And Les is going to fix up the blog integration. A whole lot of other stuff is coming as well. Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roberto Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:36 AM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] More features - letter sent to support I just wnated to share with you a letter/request I sent to the del.icio.us support group. Hi del.icio.us guys ;) First I wanted to congratulate you in the terrific service you offer, I am trying to get my friends to use your service to start building a network. Second, since I have seen several other services for bookmarking, some with impressive functionality, I like to know what other functionality you are working on. Do you post a labs page to tell us? I particularly was very impress with the services offered by http://www.diigo.com. http://www.diigo.com. Diigo offers saving paragraphs with sticky notes (I find that extremely useful!). Also, their posting function even includes to post on del.icio.us or even automatically add to your blog updates (whoa I was sold!!!). I didn't see why you'd want to keep two sites for your bookmarks but now I do, for backups, and, like in my case, although del.icio.us seems to be more popular, diigo offers more functionality. I love to hear what plans you and Yahoo have. Upload bookmarks from del.icio.us to the browser, or any other form of personal backup?, automatic blog updates (I just started my yahoo blog)?, connection with Yahoo search (very useful when asking questions), Yahoo Mobil and replace/combine Yahoo bookmarks, live bookmark updates in case the link doesn't work anymore (Yahoo bookmarks do not update)? what what what tell me tell me!!! ;) keep up the great work you are doing! ... any comments are welcome!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ydn-delicious] Change Date of post?
Heheh. Actually we don't do edits internally; it's always a delete and repost. Joshua _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lott Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:30 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ydn-delicious] Change Date of post? On 9/8/06, sheila miguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:shekay%40gmail.com wrote: playing around firefox extension meant using the tag toolbar button on a page you've already saved and editing the URL field. I don't know if the behavior is consistent or expected. maybe it will change. act now while you still can. this offer not valid in many states. Interesting-- it almost seems like the FF extension is deleting the bookmark and posting a new one rather than editing it, since I see the same behavior. Which is a good workaround for the moment :) sshhh... don't tell Joshua... c [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
