Re: [zfs-discuss] mixing raidz1 and raidz2 in same pool

2007-12-07 Thread Anton B. Rang
There won't be a performance hit beyond that of RAIDZ2 vs. RAIDZ. But you'll wind up with a pool with fundamentally single-disk-failure tolerance, so I'm not sure it's worth it (at least until there's a mechanism for replacing the remaining raidz1 vdevs with raidz2). This message posted

Re: [zfs-discuss] Odd prioritisation issues.

2007-12-07 Thread Anton B. Rang
I was under the impression that real-time processes essentially trump all others, and I'm surprised by this behaviour; I had a dozen or so RT-processes sat waiting for disc for about 20s. Process priorities on Solaris affect CPU scheduling, but not (currently) I/O scheduling nor memory usage.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Odd prioritisation issues.

2007-12-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dickon Hood wrote: We've got an interesting application which involves recieving lots of multicast groups, and writing the data to disc as a cache. We're currently using ZFS for this cache, as we're potentially dealing with a couple of TB at a time. The threads writing to the filesystem

[zfs-discuss] Error in zpool man page?

2007-12-07 Thread jonathan soons
The man page gives this form: zpool create [-fn] [-R root] [-m mountpoint] pool vdev ... however, lower down, there is this command: # zpool create mirror c0t0d0 c0t1d0 mirror c1t0d0 c1t1d0 Isn't the pool element missing in the command? This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Odd prioritisation issues.

2007-12-07 Thread Dickon Hood
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:38:11 +, Darren J Moffat wrote: : Dickon Hood wrote: : We've got an interesting application which involves recieving lots of : multicast groups, and writing the data to disc as a cache. We're : currently using ZFS for this cache, as we're potentially dealing with a

[zfs-discuss] Odd prioritisation issues.

2007-12-07 Thread Dickon Hood
We've got an interesting application which involves recieving lots of multicast groups, and writing the data to disc as a cache. We're currently using ZFS for this cache, as we're potentially dealing with a couple of TB at a time. The threads writing to the filesystem have real-time SCHED_FIFO

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error in zpool man page?

2007-12-07 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Jonathan, I think I remember seeing this error in an older Solaris release. The current zpool.1m man page doesn't have this error unless I'm missing it: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2240/zpool-1m In a current Solaris release, this command fails as expected: # zpool create mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] Odd prioritisation issues.

2007-12-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dickon Hood wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:38:11 +, Darren J Moffat wrote: : Dickon Hood wrote: : We've got an interesting application which involves recieving lots of : multicast groups, and writing the data to disc as a cache. We're : currently using ZFS for this cache, as we're

Re: [zfs-discuss] Moving ZFS file system to a different system

2007-12-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Walter, Thursday, December 6, 2007, 7:05:54 PM, you wrote: Hi All, We are currently a hardware issue with our zfs file server hence the file system is unusable. We are planning to move it to a different system. The setup on the file server when it was running was bash-3.00#

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error in zpool man page?

2007-12-07 Thread jonathan soons
SunOS 5.10 Last change: 25 Apr 2006 Yes, I see that my other server is more up to date. SunOS 5.10 Last change: 13 Feb 2007 This one was recently installed. Is there a patch that was not included with 10_Recommended? This message posted from opensolaris.org

[zfs-discuss] Same device added twice

2007-12-07 Thread Tony Dalton
Hi, I'm new to the list and fairly new to ZFS so hopefully this isn't a dumb question, but... I just inadvertantly added s0 of a disk to a zpool, and then added the entire device: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zfs-bo

[zfs-discuss] zfs rollback without unmounting a file system

2007-12-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss, http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6421210 1. App opens and creates an empty file /pool/fs1/file1 2. zfs snapshot pool/[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. App writes something to file and still keeps it open 4. zfs rollback pool/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now what happens to fd App is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help replacing dual identity disk in ZFS raidz and SVM mirror

2007-12-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Matt, Monday, December 3, 2007, 8:36:28 PM, you wrote: MB Hi, MB We have a number of 4200's setup using a combination of an SVM 4 MB way mirror and a ZFS raidz stripe. MB Each disk (of 4) is divided up like this MB / 6GB UFS s0 MB Swap 8GB s1 MB /var 6GB UFS s3 MB Metadb 50MB UFS s4 MB

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
I believe the data dedup is also a feature of NTFS. -- Darren J Moffat ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Trial x4500, zfs with NFS and quotas.

2007-12-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jorgen, Honestly - I don't think zfs is a good solution to your problem. What you could try to do however when it comes to x4500 is: 1. Use SVM+UFS+user quotas 2. Use zfs and create several (like up-to 20? so each stays below 1TB) ufs file systems on zvols and then apply user quotas on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error in zpool man page?

2007-12-07 Thread Mike Dotson
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:02 -0800, jonathan soons wrote: The man page gives this form: zpool create [-fn] [-R root] [-m mountpoint] pool vdev ... however, lower down, there is this command: # zpool create mirror c0t0d0 c0t1d0 mirror c1t0d0 c1t1d0 Isn't the pool element missing in the

[zfs-discuss] Mail system errors (On Topic).

2007-12-07 Thread Wade . Stuart
I keep getting ETOOMUCHTROLL errors thrown while reading this list, is there a list admin that can clean up the mess? I would hope that repeated personal attacks could be considered grounds for removal/blocking. Wade Stuart Fallon Worldwide P: 612.758.2660 C: 612.877.0385

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error in zpool man page?

2007-12-07 Thread jonathan soons
mis _HOLD_ # cat /etc/release Solaris 10 6/06 s10s_u2wos_09a SPARC Copyright 2006 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Use is subject to license terms. Assembled 09 June 2006 mis _HOLD_ # This

[zfs-discuss] /dev/zfs ioctl performance

2007-12-07 Thread Scott
Hello, I have been trying to chase down some ZFS performance issues, and I was hoping someone with more ZFS experience might be able to comment. When running a zfs list command, it often takes several minutes to complete. I see similar behavior when running most other ZFS commands, such as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Anton B. Rang
NOTHING anton listed takes the place of ZFS That's not surprising, since I didn't list any file systems. Here's a few file systems, and some of their distinguishing features. None of them do exactly what ZFS does. ZFS doesn't do what they do, either. QFS: Very, very fast. Supports

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread can you guess?
You have me at a disadvantage here, because I'm not even a Unix (let alone Solaris and Linux) aficionado. But don't Linux snapshots in conjunction with rsync (leaving aside other possibilities that I've never heard of) provide rather similar capabilities (e.g., incremental backup

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Anton B. Rang
There are a category of errors that are not caused by firmware, or any type of software. The hardware just doesn't write or read the correct bit value this time around. With out a checksum there's no way for the firmware to know, and next time it very well may write or read the correct bit

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Tim Cook
You have me at a disadvantage here, because I'm not even a Unix (let alone Solaris and Linux) aficionado. But don't Linux snapshots in conjunction with rsync (leaving aside other possibilities that I've never heard of) provide rather similar capabilities (e.g., incremental backup or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mail system errors (On Topic).

2007-12-07 Thread can you guess?
I keep getting ETOOMUCHTROLL errors thrown while reading this list, is there a list admin that can clean up the mess? I would hope that repeated personal attacks could be considered grounds for removal/blocking. Actually, most of your more unpleasant associates here seem to suffer

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread can you guess?
Once again, profuse apologies for having taken so long (well over 24 hours by now - though I'm not sure it actually appeared in the forum until a few hours after its timestamp) to respond to this. can you guess? wrote: Primarily its checksumming features, since other open source solutions

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Freebsd 7.0

2007-12-07 Thread Peter Schuller
NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM fatty DEGRADED 0 0 3.71K raidz2DEGRADED 0 0 3.71K da0 ONLINE 0 0 0 da1 ONLINE 0 0 0 da2 ONLINE 0 0 0 da3

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Tim Cook
If you ever progress beyond counting on your fingers you might (with a lot of coaching from someone who actually cares about your intellectual development) be able to follow Anton's recent explanation of this (given that the higher-level overviews which I've provided apparently flew

Re: [zfs-discuss] Seperate ZIL

2007-12-07 Thread Vincent Fox
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Brian Hechinger wrote: [1] Finally, someone built a flash SSD that rocks (and they know how fast it is judging by the pricetag): http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/21/mtron_ssd_32_gb / http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3167 Great now if only Sun would

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on Freebsd 7.0

2007-12-07 Thread Jason Morton
I am using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0_beta3. This is the first time i have used ZFS and I have run into something that I am not sure if this is normal, but am very concerned about. SYSTEM INFO: hp 320s (storage array) 12 disks (750GB each) 2GB RAM 1GB flash drive (running the OS) When I take a disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs rollback without unmounting a file system

2007-12-07 Thread can you guess?
Allowing a filesystem to be rolled back without unmounting it sounds unwise, given the potentially confusing effect on any application with a file currently open there. And if a user can't roll back their home directory filesystem, is that so bad? Presumably they can still access snapshot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error in zpool man page?

2007-12-07 Thread Mike Dotson
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:24 -0800, jonathan soons wrote: SunOS 5.10 Last change: 25 Apr 2006 Yes, I see that my other server is more up to date. SunOS 5.10 Last change: 13 Feb 2007 This one was recently installed. What OS rev? (more /etc/release) I don't have

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mail system errors (On Topic).

2007-12-07 Thread Wade . Stuart
Please see below for an example. -Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/07/2007 03:07:29 PM: I keep getting ETOOMUCHTROLL errors thrown while reading this list, is there a list admin that can clean up the mess? I would hope that repeated personal attacks could be considered grounds

Re: [zfs-discuss] OT: NTFS Single Instance Storage (Re: Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Wade . Stuart
Thanks Darren. I found another link that goes into the 2003 implementation: http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/archive/tags/Single+Instance+Store+_2800_SIS_2900_/default.aspx It looks pretty nice, although I am not sure about the userland dedup service design -- I would like to see it

[zfs-discuss] OT: NTFS Single Instance Storage (Re: Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, Do you happen to have any links for this? I have not seen anything about NTFS and CAS/dedupe besides some of the third party apps/services that just use NTFS as their backing store. Single Instance Storage is what Microsoft uses to refer to this:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread can you guess?
So name these mystery alternatives that come anywhere close to the protection, If you ever progress beyond counting on your fingers you might (with a lot of coaching from someone who actually cares about your intellectual development) be able to follow Anton's recent explanation of this

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS with Memory Sticks

2007-12-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Paul, Wednesday, December 5, 2007, 10:34:47 PM, you wrote: PG Constantin Gonzalez wrote: Hi Paul, yes, ZFS is platform agnostic and I know it works in SANs. For the USB stick case, you may have run into labeling issues. Maybe Solaris SPARC did not recognize the x64 type label on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Freebsd 7.0

2007-12-07 Thread Karl Pielorz
--On 07 December 2007 11:18 -0600 Jason Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0_beta3. This is the first time i have used ZFS and I have run into something that I am not sure if this is normal, but am very concerned about. SYSTEM INFO: hp 320s (storage array) 12

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs export/import problem in cluster env.

2007-12-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Marcin, Saturday, December 1, 2007, 9:57:11 AM, you wrote: MW i did some test lately with zfs, env is: MW 2 node veritas cluster 5.0 on solaris 8/07 with recommended MW patches, 2 machines v440 v480, shared storage through switch on 6120 array. MW 2 luns from array, on every zfs pool.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-07 Thread Wade . Stuart
Darren, Do you happen to have any links for this? I have not seen anything about NTFS and CAS/dedupe besides some of the third party apps/services that just use NTFS as their backing store. Thanks! Wade Stuart Fallon Worldwide P: 612.758.2660 C: 612.877.0385 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on