Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-03 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
According to the hard disk drive guide at http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/index.html, a wopping 36% of data loss is due to human error. 49% of data loss was due to hardware or system malfunction. With proper pool design, zfs addresses most of the 49% of data loss due to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-03 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 11:42 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Zfs makes human error really easy. For example $ zpool destroy mypool Note that zpool destroy can be undone by zpool import -D (if you get to it before the disks are overwritten). ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Ross
Going back to your USB remove test, if you protect that disk at the ZFS level, such as a mirror, then when the disk is removed then it will be detected as removed and zfs status will show its state as removed and the pool as degraded but it will continue to function, as expected. -- richard

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Brent Jones
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going back to your USB remove test, if you protect that disk at the ZFS level, such as a mirror, then when the disk is removed then it will be detected as removed and zfs status will show its state as removed and the pool as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Ross Smith
Hey Brent, On the Sun hardware like the Thumper you do get a nice bright blue ready to remove led as soon as you issue the cfgadm -c unconfigure xxx command. On other hardware it takes a little more care, I'm labelling our drive bays up *very* carefully to ensure we always remove the right

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Enda O'Connor ( Sun Micro Systems Ireland)
Dave wrote: Enda O'Connor wrote: As for thumpers, once 138053-02 ( marvell88sx driver patch ) releases within the next two weeks ( assuming no issues found ), then the thumper platform running s10 updates will be up to date in terms of marvel88sx driver fixes, which fixes some pretty

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Ross, I know personally many environments using ZFS in a production for quite some time. Quite often in business critical environments. Some of them are small, some of them are rather large (hundreds of TBs), some of them are clustered. Different usages like file servers, MySQL on ZFS,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Brent Jones
I have done a bit of testing, and so far so good really. I have a Dell 1800 with a Perc4e and a 14 drive Dell Powervault 220S. I have a RaidZ2 volume named 'tank' that spans 6 drives. I have made 1 drive available as a spare to ZFS. Normal array: # zpool status pool: tank state: ONLINE

[zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Ross
Hey folks, I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. I'm about to go live with ZFS in our company on a new fileserver, but I have some real concerns about whether I can really trust ZFS to keep my data

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Enda O'Connor
Ross wrote: Hey folks, I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. I'm about to go live with ZFS in our company on a new fileserver, but I have some real concerns about whether I can really trust

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Will Murnane
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 16:25, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problems with zpool status hanging concern me, knowing that I can't hot plug drives is an issue, and the long resilver times bug is also a potential problem. I suspect I can work around the hot plug drive bug with a big

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Netherton
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 13:25 -0700, Ross wrote: Hey folks, I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. ZFS in anger ? That's an interesting way of putting it :-) but I have some real concerns about

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Netherton
We haven't had any real life drive failures at work, but at home I took some old flaky IDE drives and put them in a pentium 3 box running Nevada. Similar story here. Some IDE and SATA drive burps under Linux (and please don't tell me how wonderful Reiser4 is - 'cause it's banned in this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Chad Lewis
On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Bob Netherton wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 13:25 -0700, Ross wrote: Hey folks, I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. ZFS in anger ? That's an interesting way of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Vincent Fox
We have 50,000 users worth of mail spool on ZFS. So we've been trusting it for production usage for THE most critical visible enterprise app. Works fine. Our stores are ZFS RAID-10 built of LUNS from pairs of 3510FC. Had an entire array go down once, the system kept going fine. Brought the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Dave
Enda O'Connor wrote: As for thumpers, once 138053-02 ( marvell88sx driver patch ) releases within the next two weeks ( assuming no issues found ), then the thumper platform running s10 updates will be up to date in terms of marvel88sx driver fixes, which fixes some pretty important

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Miles Nordin
r == Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: r This is a big step for us, we're a 100% windows company and r I'm really going out on a limb by pushing Solaris. I'm using it in anger. I'm angry at it, and can't afford anything that's better. Whatever I replaced ZFS with, I would make sure it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Richard Elling
Ross wrote: Hey folks, I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. I've been using ZFS for nearly 3 years now. It has been my (mirrored :-) home directory for that time. I've never lost any of that