Re: [zfs-discuss] Fracture Clone Into FS

2007-10-18 Thread Bill Moore
I may not be understanding your usage case correctly, so bear with me. Here is what I understand your request to be. Time is increasing from left to right. A -- B -- C -- D -- E \ - F -- G Where E and G are writable filesystems and the others are snapshots. I think

Re: [zfs-discuss] nfs-ownership

2007-10-18 Thread Spencer Shepler
On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Claus Guttesen wrote: Did you mount both the parent and all the children on the client ? No, I just assumed that the sub-partitions would inherit the same uid/gid as the parent. I have done a chown -R. Ahhh, the issue is not permissions, but how the

[zfs-discuss] meet import error after reinstall the OS

2007-10-18 Thread Shuai Mike Cheng
Hi, I just reinstall my machine with onnv build75. When I try to import the zfs, I meet an error. The pool is created with a slice c1t1d0s7 and a whole disk c1t2d0s0. How do I fix the error? Below is the output from zpool and zdb. # zpool import pool: tank id: 8219303556773256880 state:

[zfs-discuss] Shared Pools in ZFS

2007-10-18 Thread Vic Cornell
Hi All, I went to storage expo in the UK yesterday. During a long train journey back to the west country boss and I were discussing the joys of storage management in a production environment and where ZFS would be able to help. Whilst it would be great if ZFS were a clustered file-system and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Shared Pools in ZFS

2007-10-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
Vic Cornell wrote: Hi All, I went to storage expo in the UK yesterday. During a long train journey back to the west country boss and I were discussing the joys of storage management in a production environment and where ZFS would be able to help. Whilst it would be great if ZFS were a

Re: [zfs-discuss] HAMMER

2007-10-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
Richard Elling wrote: Do not assume that a compressed file system will send compressed. IIRC, it does not. But since UNIX is a land of pipe dreams, you can always compress anyway :-) zfs send ... | compress | ssh ... | uncompress | zfs receive ... zfs send | ssh -C | zfs recv --

[zfs-discuss] 6415647 Sequential writing is jumping

2007-10-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hi, I see it's still not fixed. I've checked with snv_74 and the bug is still there. Is someone working on it? Do we have any ETA? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] HAMMER

2007-10-18 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 10/18/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zfs send | ssh -C | zfs recv I was going to suggest this, but I think (I could be wrong...) that ssh would then use zlib for compression and that ssh is still a single-threaded process. This has two effects: 1) gzip compression instead of

[zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Gary Mills
Does anyone on this mailing list have an idea what went wrong with ZFS and Cyrus IMAP? Here's an excerpt that explains the problem: About a week before classes actually start is when all the kids start moving back into town and mailing all their buds. We saw process numbers go from

Re: [zfs-discuss] HAMMER

2007-10-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
Mike Gerdts wrote: On 10/18/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zfs send | ssh -C | zfs recv I was going to suggest this, but I think (I could be wrong...) that ssh would then use zlib for compression and that ssh is still a single-threaded process. This has two effects: 1)

Re: [zfs-discuss] nfs-ownership

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Kraus
On 10/17/07, Claus Guttesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the clarification. When mounting the same partitions from a windows-client I get r/w access to both the parent- and child-partition. That is because the Windows clients are mounting via SMB (Samba) and since Samba is

Re: [zfs-discuss] HAMMER

2007-10-18 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 10/18/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it doesn't yet because ssh can't yet use the N2 crypto - because it uses OpenSSL's libcrypto without using the ENGINE API. Marketing needs to get in line with the technology. The word I received was that any application that

Re: [zfs-discuss] HAMMER

2007-10-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
Mike Gerdts wrote: On 10/18/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it doesn't yet because ssh can't yet use the N2 crypto - because it uses OpenSSL's libcrypto without using the ENGINE API. Marketing needs to get in line with the technology. The word I received was that

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 08:04 -0500, Gary Mills wrote: Here's a suggestion on the cause: The root problem seems to be an interaction between Solaris' concept of global memory consistency and the fact that Cyrus spawns many processes that all memory map (mmap) the same file. Whenever any

[zfs-discuss] Sequential reading/writting from large stripe faster on SVM than ZFS?

2007-10-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hi, snv_74, x4500, 48x 500GB, 16GB RAM, 2x dual core # zpool create test c0t0d0 c0t1d0 c0t2d0 c0t3d0 c0t4d0 c0t5d0 c0t6d0 c0t7d0 c1t0d0 c1t1d0 c1t2d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0 c1t5d0 c1t6d0 c1t7d0 c4t0d0 c4t1d0 c4t2d0 c4t3d0 c4t4d0 c4t5d0 c4t6d0 c4t7d0 c5t1d0 c5t2d0 c5t3d0 c5t5d0 c5t6d0 c5t7d0 c6t0d0

Re: [zfs-discuss] HAMMER

2007-10-18 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 10/18/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which marketing documentation (not person) says that ? It was a person giving a technology brief in the past 6 weeks or so. It kinda went like so long as they link against the bundled openssl and not a private copy of openssl they will

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 10/18/07, Bill Sommerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that sounds like a somewhat mangled description of the cross-calls done to invalidate the TLB on other processors when a page is unmapped. (it certainly doesn't happen on *every* update to a mapped file). I've seen systems running Veritas

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Gary Mills
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 10:16:52AM -0400, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 08:04 -0500, Gary Mills wrote: Here's a suggestion on the cause: The root problem seems to be an interaction between Solaris' concept of global memory consistency and the fact that Cyrus spawns

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Pramod Batni
What's the command to show cross calls? mpstat(1M) example o/p $ mpstat 1 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 0 16 0 0 416 316 485 16 0 0 0 618 7 3 0 90 0 6 0 0 425 324 488 2 0 0 0 579 4 2 0 94 ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 10/18/07, Gary Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the command to show cross calls? mpstat will show it on a system basis. xcallsbypid.d from the DTraceToolkit (ask google) will tell you which PID is responsible. -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Mike Gerdts wrote: On 10/18/07, Bill Sommerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that sounds like a somewhat mangled description of the cross-calls done to invalidate the TLB on other processors when a page is unmapped. (it certainly doesn't happen on *every* update to a mapped

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread michael schuster
Gary Mills wrote: What's the command to show cross calls? mpstat -- Michael SchusterSun Microsystems, Inc. recursion, n: see 'recursion' ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's storage product roadmap?

2007-10-18 Thread Thomas Liesner
Hi, from sun germany i got the info hat the 2u JBODs wille be officially announced in q1 2008 and the 4u JBODs in q2 2008. Both will have SAS connectors and support either SAS and SATA drives. Ragards, Tom This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] GRUB + zpool version mismatches

2007-10-18 Thread Lori Alt
I think this is an artifact of a manual setup. Ordinarily, if booting from a zfs root pool, grub wouldn't even be able to read the menu.lst if it couldn't interpret the pool format. I'm not sure what the entire sequence of events is here, so I'm not sure if there's a bug. Perhaps you could

Re: [zfs-discuss] characterizing I/O on a per zvol basis.

2007-10-18 Thread Neil Perrin
I don't know of any way to observe IOPS per zvol and I believe this would be tricky. Any writes/reads from individual datasets (filesystems and zvols) will go through the pipeline and can fan out to multiple mirrors or raidz or be striped across devices. Block writes will be combined and pushed

Re: [zfs-discuss] UC Davis Cyrus Incident September 2007

2007-10-18 Thread Gary Mills
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 10:32:58AM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: On 10/18/07, Gary Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the command to show cross calls? mpstat will show it on a system basis. Thanks. This is on our T2000 Cyrus IMAP server with ZFS. It's the second listing from `mpstat 5'.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sequential reading/writting from large stripe faster on SVM than ZFS?

2007-10-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
zpool create t1 c0t0d0 c0t1d0 c0t2d0 c0t3d0 c0t4d0 c0t5d0 c0t6d0 c0t7d0 zpool create t2 c1t0d0 c1t1d0 c1t2d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0 c1t5d0 c1t6d0 c1t7d0 zpool create t3 c4t0d0 c4t1d0 c4t2d0 c4t3d0 c4t4d0 c4t5d0 c4t6d0 c4t7d0 zpool create t4 c5t1d0 c5t2d0 c5t3d0 c5t5d0 c5t6d0 c5t7d0 zpool create t5

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's storage product roadmap?

2007-10-18 Thread MC
Sun's storage strategy: 1) Finish Indiana and distro constructor 2) (ship stuff using ZFS-Indiana) 3) Success This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's storage product roadmap?

2007-10-18 Thread Torrey McMahon
MC wrote: Sun's storage strategy: 1) Finish Indiana and distro constructor 2) (ship stuff using ZFS-Indiana) 3) Success 4) Profit :) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] df command in ZFS?

2007-10-18 Thread Richard Elling
David Runyon wrote: I was presenting to a customer at the EBC yesterday, and one of the people at the meeting said using df in ZFS really drives him crazy (no, that's all the detail I have). Any ideas/suggestions? Filter it. This is UNIX after all... -- richard

Re: [zfs-discuss] characterizing I/O on a per zvol basis.

2007-10-18 Thread Richard Elling
Brendan Gregg has put together a few dtrace scripts for looking at various parts of the zfs subsystems recently. I don't find them in the DTraceToolkit-0.99 release though. -- richard Nathan Kroenert wrote: Hey all - Time for my silly question of the day, and before I bust out vi and

[zfs-discuss] ZIL reliability/replication questions

2007-10-18 Thread Scott Laird
I'm debating using an external intent log on a new box that I'm about to start working on, and I have a few questions. 1. If I use an external log initially and decide that it was a mistake, is there a way to move back to the internal log without rebuilding the entire pool? 2. What happens if

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL reliability/replication questions

2007-10-18 Thread Neil Perrin
Scott Laird wrote: I'm debating using an external intent log on a new box that I'm about to start working on, and I have a few questions. 1. If I use an external log initially and decide that it was a mistake, is there a way to move back to the internal log without rebuilding the entire

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL reliability/replication questions

2007-10-18 Thread Scott Laird
On 10/18/07, Neil Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Laird wrote: I'm debating using an external intent log on a new box that I'm about to start working on, and I have a few questions. 1. If I use an external log initially and decide that it was a mistake, is there a way to move

Re: [zfs-discuss] df command in ZFS?

2007-10-18 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Oct 18, 2007, at 11:57, Richard Elling wrote: David Runyon wrote: I was presenting to a customer at the EBC yesterday, and one of the people at the meeting said using df in ZFS really drives him crazy (no, that's all the detail I have). Any ideas/suggestions? Filter it. This is

Re: [zfs-discuss] df command in ZFS?

2007-10-18 Thread Richard Elling
[warning: paradigm shifted] Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 11:57, Richard Elling wrote: David Runyon wrote: I was presenting to a customer at the EBC yesterday, and one of the people at the meeting said using df in ZFS really drives him crazy (no, that's all the detail I

Re: [zfs-discuss] df command in ZFS?

2007-10-18 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Oct 18, 2007, at 13:26, Richard Elling wrote: Yes. It is true that ZFS redefines the meaning of available space. But most people like compression, snapshots, clones, and the pooling concept. It may just be that you want zfs list instead, df is old-school :-) exactly - i'm not

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL reliability/replication questions

2007-10-18 Thread Neil Perrin
Scott Laird wrote: On 10/18/07, Neil Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Laird wrote: I'm debating using an external intent log on a new box that I'm about to start working on, and I have a few questions. 1. If I use an external log initially and decide that it was a mistake, is there

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL reliability/replication questions

2007-10-18 Thread Scott Laird
On 10/18/07, Neil Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the only way to lose transactions would be a crash or power loss, leaving outstanding transactions in the log, followed by the log device failing to start up on reboot? I assume that that would that be handled relatively cleanly (files

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL reliability/replication questions

2007-10-18 Thread Eric Schrock
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 02:29:27PM -0600, Neil Perrin wrote: So, the only way to lose transactions would be a crash or power loss, leaving outstanding transactions in the log, followed by the log device failing to start up on reboot? I assume that that would that be handled relatively

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fracture Clone Into FS

2007-10-18 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Bill, You've got it 99%. I want to roll E back to say B, and keep G intact. I really don't care about C, D or F. Essentially, B is where I want to roll back to, but in case B's data copy doesn't improve what I'm trying to fix I want to have copy of G's data around so I can go back to how it.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fracture Clone Into FS

2007-10-18 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Bill, Thinking about this a little more, would this provide the ability to maintain B and G's data for a rollback followed by a possible roll forward? 1.) Create a clone of snapshot_B (clone_B). 2.) Create a new current snapshot (snapshot_F). 3.) Create a clone of snapshot_F (clone_F). 4.)

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL reliability/replication questions

2007-10-18 Thread Neil Perrin
Scott Laird wrote: On 10/18/07, Neil Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the only way to lose transactions would be a crash or power loss, leaving outstanding transactions in the log, followed by the log device failing to start up on reboot? I assume that that would that be handled

Re: [zfs-discuss] GRUB + zpool version mismatches

2007-10-18 Thread Jason King
Upon further thought, it was probably just defaulting to the first thing grub could boot -- my laptop is partitioned (in order) xp, recovery partition, solaris. The grub menu though lists the options in order of solaris b62 (zfs /), solaris b74 (also zfs /), recovery partition, windows. So my

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's storage product roadmap?

2007-10-18 Thread Selim Daoud
wasn't that an NDA info?? s- On 10/18/07, Torrey McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC wrote: Sun's storage strategy: 1) Finish Indiana and distro constructor 2) (ship stuff using ZFS-Indiana) 3) Success 4) Profit :) ___ zfs-discuss