There are still potential new customers to invest in XSI, no ? I blindly
believe I'm not a dying race.
Not sure an hypothetic Fxtree rebuild would "save" SI, though. It's just
too bad it has been completly abandonned, with no new (even small)
improvements.
Since we're a Particle software, I'm just hopping Ice developpement will
continue to be the strong part of XSI.
Weirdly, since AD bought us correspond to a time of "prosperity" for SI
users . I mean, there are now a very big amount of Compounds and Addons
available, much more then back in the Xsi-base days.
Le 07/04/2013 17:25, Luc-Eric Rousseau a écrit :
what are these small shops using now to do 3d and compositing? how
are they getting work done at all? they would spend the money and
the trouble to switch to xsi? who did you speak to to know that these
people exist?
Le 2013-04-07 09:55, "Paul Griswold"
<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com
<mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>> a écrit :
>
> The FXTree.
>
> The FXTree desperately needs a complete overhaul. I'm guessing most
people don't even know it exists.
>
> It's one of those things that could help sell Softimage to smaller
shops who don't want to spend the money on Fusion or Nuke, but still
need some compositing.
>
> -PG
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:45 AM, olivier jeannel
<olivier.jean...@noos.fr <mailto:olivier.jean...@noos.fr>> wrote:
>>
>> "Hopefully if nothing else this AE Maxon collaboration might prod
them into realising just what a great thing they had and forgot.. "
>> Which is ?
>>
>> Le 07/04/2013 14:15, Angus Davidson a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hopefully if nothing else this AE Maxon collaboration might prod
them into realising just what a great thing they had and forgot..
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Dan Yargici [danyarg...@gmail.com <mailto:danyarg...@gmail.com>]
>>> Sent: 07 April 2013 01:47 PM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> Subject: Re: This is what I meant by AE integration
>>>
>>> Yes, it is - and this is coming from one of it's biggest evangelists!
>>>
>>> There are still cases where it's integration provides great
opportunities unachievable outside the package, but those aside, it
pretty much dead in the water... :/
>>>
>>> DAN
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, olivier jeannel
<olivier.jean...@noos.fr <mailto:olivier.jean...@noos.fr>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody mentionned the Fx Tree. Is it
completly out-dated ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 07/04/2013 12:03, pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Compositing comes in many flavors – and what to use will depend
on your preferences and needs.
>>>>> The main aspect is how nodal it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> On one hand of the spectrum you have “hardly or not at all” and
that is where AE and Combustion (remember me?) sit.
>>>>> Easy to get into for those who come to graphics from an Adobe
point of view – but not something to base a pipeline around. In my
opinion, if it’s not nodal it’s not a compositor – but rather a
mucking-about-with-images software – but granted, people can get some
very nice artistic work out of them – that would be hard to do in a
nodal compositor.
>>>>>
>>>>> As mentioned Smoke and DS offer a nice hybrid – where you can
organize effects in a timeline or a nodal tree or both. Easy to get
into but they offer a lot of depth.
>>>>> They offer something quite unique in the way they can handle a
complete project, editing and effects combined.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there are the purely nodal compositors.
>>>>> A nodal tree can look intimidating to people at first (although
coming from a 3D background it really shouldn’t) – but it’s the very
mechanism that allows to manage complex work.
>>>>> You could in turn categorize them by the complexity of the nodes.
>>>>> Shake would be a lot of very simple, low level nodes - in the
extreme: one node does one specific operation.
>>>>> Fusion would be much higher level nodes - a single node can be
almost a software in itself.
>>>>> Nuke sits somewhere in the middle – and I think that’s part of
it’s success: it adapts well to both preferences – while Shake users
would have a hard time in Fusion and vise-versa.
>>>>>
>>>>> While any nodal compositor should be able to get the job done –
I haven’t seen any that handled the amount of nodes in complex trees
with such ease as Nuke does – and with high bit depth and resolution
as well, while allowing the tree to remain human readable. Not the
most elegant software perhaps – and it can be a bit unforgiving at
times – but for compositing multilayered/multi-pass CG it just sits
(or rather stands) in a class of its own.
>>>>> The Achilles heel of nodal trees is timeline and editing based
effects. If you work on a shot by shot basis, such as for film work,
it’s perfectly fine but managing a complete edit is messy at best.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, in my opinion again, the choice for which type of compositor
to adapt is very much tied in with your approach to projects.
>>>>> Does it all happen at once in a single timeline (eg. commercials
and video clips) or does each shot have to be assembled separately
(film) before it goes into the master edit. There are grey areas,
where VFX heavy commercials are better off in a film workflow and
films that can be handled with a motion graphics and video clip
approach. And for some kind of work you can just use an editing
software and bypass compositing completely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Avoid choosing the wrong type of compositor for your workflow –
just because it’s supposedly a good software or just because it’s
available.
>>>>> After effects used for film/vfx compositing jumps to mind as
well as Nuke for motion graphics – it can be done but at your own risk
and peril.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jason S
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 5:44 AM
>>>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: This is what I meant by AE integration
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Griswold
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally for compositing I would always go with Fusion.
Especially now that they have Generation AM out and they just released
some great open source Python modules for pipeline building.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know Nuke is the big boy these days and I think Nuke and
Fusion both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I just tend to
feel like Fusion is a little more artist friendly and therefore faster
for me to work with.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard lots of good things about Fusion... what are it's main
strengths (and weaknesses) you were reffering to in you opinion, or
what do you like most?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also had an extra 'with' in my reply :)
>>>>>
>>>>> <.. timeline based [solutions] such as AE (with stacked effects)
it's easier to have longer with compositions with a number of effects
shots as single projects while keeping an overview and control of the
whole. >
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/04/2013 7:31 PM, Jason S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Node based workflows has the advantage of easily having the
outputs of effect streams as sources very easily (visually),
>>>>>> giving more space for complexity while remaning managable &
understandable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas timeline based such as AE (with stacked effects)
>>>>>> it's easier to have longer with compositions with a number of
effects shots as single projects while keeping an overview and control
of the whole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smoke (and DS) harness the best of both worlds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But as far a I know, both AE & Fusion are excellent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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