Travis- Make sense, thank you. This is the first time I’ve ran across this.
Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> From: Travis Mack <t.m...@mepcad.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 3:49 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? If this is a wall “hydrant”, then it is outside. So, I would put my outside hose there. You want this as a separate line taken from the supply side of your system control valve. How would you supply a hydrant that was to be located in the front of the building. It would come off before your system control valve. This is no different than if it comes off the underground or if you have to run the piping through the building. You want the “hydrant” to be live, even if the sprinkler system is shut down for maintenance. Again, don’t over complicate it. Just think of how you would do a hydrant. Just find out if the AHJ wants it treated as a manual standpipe or if he wants it as a hydrant. Travis Mack, SET M.E.P.CAD | 181 N. Arroyo Grande Blvd. #105 I Henderson, NV 89074 www.mepcad.com<http://www.mepcad.com/> | m: 480.547.9348 AutoSPRINK | AutoSPRINK FAB | AutoSPRINK RVT | AlarmCAD From: Brian Harris <bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com<mailto:bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 12:30 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? Skyler- I can’t find a clear answer to where I need to tie this in. I’ve seen it needs to be its own stand-alone line right off the supply entering the building an I’ve also seen it coming off one of the FP system Mains. Any thoughts? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> From: Skyler Bilbo <sbi...@wenteplumbing.com<mailto:sbi...@wenteplumbing.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 3:23 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? Everyone already covered the difference between a wall hydrant and FDC, so I won't keep doing that. I have had a similar situation, adding a wall hydrant, and I'm curious if the standards would require outside or inside hose demand to be added to the fire sprinkler system calcs at the new connection location? It makes sense to me that it would be your outside hose demand, but I would love to be wrong. Thanks, Skyler Bilbo [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4y8Hq3kJpcrMKcZPAe4JT4xB7a2Rf10HH9h91m15sYft0q0IkyUaWivqrU3_iQPJ9vznaW8t_4] 1700 S. Raney Street Effingham, IL 62401 217-819-6404 Direct 217-347-7315 Fax sbi...@wenteplumbing.com<mailto:sbi...@wenteplumbing.com> www.wenteplumbing.com<http://www.wenteplumbing.com> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 1:45 PM Brian Harris <bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com<mailto:bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com>> wrote: Ryan- Is there some type of schematic available for this? Control valve, check valve, etc. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> From: Hinson, Ryan <rhin...@burnsmcd.com<mailto:rhin...@burnsmcd.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 2:35 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? As has been said by others. This is not an FDC and would result in monitoring issues within the building. What they are looking for is a wall hydrant which needs to be connected to the lead-in upstream of any building suppression systems. Ryan L. Hinson, PE*, SET** \ Burns & McDonnell Associate Fire Protection Engineer O 612-900-3755 \ M 763-688-4045 \ F 952-229-2923 rhin...@burnsmcd.com<mailto:rhin...@burnsmcd.com> \ burnsmcd.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.burnsmcd.com%2f&c=E,1,hOx_yuZwpCKr6sZK2CE5KVD5A_hqHxBkBunZ62abgzzwFOPaJR60ypsKli4nQLt44lG_ruvcNjaF4fdDZ_h4geNFdUMTueRJ5YPUHKJprOQV&typo=1> 8201 Norman Center Drive, Suite 500 \ Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 55437 *Registered in: AK, LA, MD, MN, PA, TX, & UT **NICET IV - Water-Based Systems Layout From: Brian Harris <bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com<mailto:bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 1:29 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? Ryan- Yes. They want to draw water from inside the building FP system to use in fore hoses for outside the building. “It’s cheaper than adding a hydrant….” Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fbvssystemsinc.com%2f&c=E,1,s_r7hpBPpQl2BWjo-Mvo5uQJvSyOjNBJyHxvrRQdYO0I4sKzgubiSBlLcoMjWkWrVeMfu8n2Kvjhh10c-h4pvliQmJgiVDWkri2NmlmmY3nMQw,,&typo=1> From: Hinson, Ryan <rhin...@burnsmcd.com<mailto:rhin...@burnsmcd.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 2:25 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? FDC…as in injection into the system on the back side in the absence of fire hydrants nearby doesn’t make sense to me. Do you mean to draw water off the FW piping in the building to serve portable equipment for the parking lot storage? Ryan L. Hinson, PE*, SET** \ Burns & McDonnell Associate Fire Protection Engineer O 612-900-3755 \ M 763-688-4045 \ F 952-229-2923 rhin...@burnsmcd.com<mailto:rhin...@burnsmcd.com> \ burnsmcd.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.burnsmcd.com%2f&c=E,1,7VFuIwuxPjOttrVgynPolVOTgN3v6mT-V6g87jq-Q2EvwrY7AAFdS1ToF0kt5EBG9OYlkVkYa2frZoY5Yh2qLTkFn5Iw7WH7j4mnGlxT9GuOLxsUbhhdyw,,&typo=1> 8201 Norman Center Drive, Suite 500 \ Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 55437 *Registered in: AK, LA, MD, MN, PA, TX, & UT **NICET IV - Water-Based Systems Layout From: matthew.will...@ferguson.com<mailto:matthew.will...@ferguson.com> <matthew.will...@ferguson.com<mailto:matthew.will...@ferguson.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 1:22 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? Nope. Exterior fire operations are as or more important than internal. Seen this many times for different applications. 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Willis, CWBSP, CET Engineering Designer IV FERGUSON FIRE DESIGN, LLC A Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Ferguson Fire & Fabrication, LLC 401 N 5th Street Suite 448 Wausau, WI 54403 C: 307-236-8249 matthew.will...@ferguson.com<mailto:matthew.will...@ferguson.com> www.FergusonFire.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.fergusonfire.com%2f&c=E,1,t2kkU6GiN48ipjo2cUguayf2olg-9ggZNBHGg4GIUPquGYTwa57Bsl6HIod0TTUnlD6KAmZOf15WFvAedioRCYUOHkT_leEbTXykFA5lKZCQPB2yTNYoJIyI&typo=1> From: Brian Harris <bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com<mailto:bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 2:19 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant ??? This is a first. We recently did a sprinkler system for a 2-story storage building. The owner is now putting storage containers in the back parking lot and the AHJ wants him to add a 2nd FDC on the back of the building, there’s already one on the front, and use it to “supply” fire hoses if there’s a fire outside since there’s not a hydrant in the back…. Tell me I’m crazy. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssystemsinc.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fbvssystemsinc.com%2f&c=E,1,KvUcJKwR1-VMeJ08pas56fB1FbmRf44mocNWawMpPEDp7swm7LB7aN-PQwe7ORb0mBUyEoXrzXuPAFliI6m20_hR6VaomNnzFc--WU3fuFARFdI,&typo=1> Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.896.1935 _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org>
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