Ted - You can't get a Lupo here, but you can sure get a Jetta of just about any vintage and price you want, and you can get all the WVO you'd need for it quite easily. So sell the Civic.
You're quite right that WVO is better used as a cleaner diesel fuel than as landfill material, grease trap and sewer line cement...or, when collected, feedlot cattle filler (want to talk about how we use land and efficient food production?), pet food, and cosmetics. Is there enough SVO, WVO, biodiesel to fill all the diesel tanks of the world and keep those wheels hummin'? No. Not even close. But that does not mean it cannot make a reasonable contribution to the overall sustainable energy requirement. That fact also goes to show how much we have to figure out about how we choose to use the renewable resources that are available to us. The transportation world we live in now was born out dirt cheap fossil fuel. But we know that there are hidden costs, as well as a limit to that resource. Saying that a renewable resource cannot, in annual volume, replace a currently plentiful but non-renewable resource that took millions of years to create and is being used up at a tremendous rate is not logical. The renewable resources must provide the energy needed, in time, but the energy demand, of course, will have to be greatly reduced for a given *service that is being provided*. That trend appears to have started. The last few years showed the first signs of decoupling of economic growth from growth in energy consumption. We can and will get more value, more "service" for the amount of energy used. When we look at transportation demand projections for the developing world, the availability of fossil fuels at reasonable cost and security, the health and environmental costs associated, etc., it is clear that a "f'actor four" or "factor ten" increase in efficiency of use of resources must occur. If it does, that goes a long way to altering our perception of how large a slice of the energy supply pie can be accomplished with an array of renewables. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca > From: Ted Swarts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:12:42 -0800 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biofuel v. WVO (was NADI and Komet was Safety and > theenvironment(waswashing machine and biodiesel) > > Greg, > > WVO has its place. There just isn't enough of it to supply a world with a > billion or so vehicles and if there was, our planet would be one hell of a > greasy place. > > On the scale that WVO exists, if it is used responsibly, it is a better fuel > than many other alternatives and it is certainly better than fossil fuels. > > In general, if I had easy access to the stuff, I'd eagerly sell my Honda > Civic and replace it with a diesel such as the VW Lupo, which I'd convert to > exploit. > > No matter how you look at WVO, it exists and adding it to landfill is a > shame. Using it to fuel ICEs or for heating homes (using low tech devices > like the Babbington Burner) are much better applications. > > Ted Swarts > Kelowna, British Columbia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig reece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:48 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Biofuel v. WVO (was NADI and Komet was Safety and > theenvironment(waswashing machine and biodiesel) > > >> Ted, >> >> Do you have the same reservations about WVO (frenchfry oil?) >> >> Craig >> >> >> You wrote: >> >>> I agree that biofuel, in many of its forms, has a place in the global > energy >>> matrix. But I personally see its place as limited by the ability of our >>> planet to provide feedstock, in a sustainable way, and by the EROEI of > the >>> fuel production processes. >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
