I've always thought this way, but, try and find a UV without leather seats,
is almost impossable.  You should be able to open the door, take out the
seat ( with out to much fuss ), then take a hose and wash out the inside.
that is a real UV.  Forget the bucket seats, give me a good old fashion
bench seat with belts and a heavy cloth cover, any day.

Greg H.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:09
Subject: SUV [lack of] mindsets was Re: [biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not
Always Safer


> Used to be that an SUV was completely synonymous with a Chevy
> Suburban  (a misnomer back then, but completely appropo today)
> and a crew of 8-10 oilfield workers, fire fighters or surveyors
> going out to or coming in from the field.
>
> Now an SUV is synonymous with anything from a 1st year college
> student needing room for multiple frat boys and kegs to a
> Lacrosse Mom (Cricket Moms in other countries).
>
> Here's the really funny part. One can fold up the rear seats of a
> VW Golf and achieve more cargo room than most SUVs. Put a diesel
> in with the front wheel drive and it can travel 90% of the places
> a 2 wheel drive pickup can with double or better the fuel
> economy.
>
> Personal opiniion? Keep the "sport" in automotive confined to the
> race tracks, take the "S" out of "SUV" and put the vehicle back
> into perspective and its intended use.
>
> When Lexus and Mercedes start market UVs you know the auto
> industry took a wrong turn. (Odd how you don't see too many a
> Lexus out rutting it through the mud on the farm or hauling
> firewood to the cabin.)
>
> $25,000 - $45,000 - the cost of 25-50 acres, an old farmhouse and
> a mule - is a bit of a sacrificial exchange for quick trips to
> the corner mart for disposable diapers.
>
> It's also a primary indicator of how foolish and/or ignorant most
> consumers are as to their own economic picture and future
> security.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Curtis Sakima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer
>
>
> > This 4X4 enthusiast/nutcase's $0.02:
> >
> > aaarrgh!!  When I hear about these "kids using the
> > backseat of an SUV" or "baby standing of her lap in a
> > SUV" ... it makes me puke.  Here these people are ...
> > making a total idiot of themselves ... when all along,
> > calling themselves (by their vehicle choice) ... an
> > "SUV'er".   Giving the whole concept of "SUV" or worse
> > ... 4X4'ing ... an image of "stupidity" ... or
> > "ignorance".
> >
> > To me, it would be the same as though (on the news)
> > there were these stupid lawsuits about "it's
> > McDonald's fault that I'm fat -n- overweight" ... and
> > then having the gall to reveal his last (family) name
> > to be "Witmer" ... or "Addison".  The whole world
> > laughs and redicules this guy ... and then proceeds to
> > say ... "ALL these Witmer's ... or ALL these Addison's
> > ... they're ALL so STUPID".
> >
> > Now when Keith and Christopher go to the grocery store
> > .. and sign their name on a check ... the store clerk
> > (who recently saw the news last night) LOOKS A THEM
> > FUNNY (or gives them a funny look).  Just cause of
> > their name!!!  I really hate that!!
> >
> > People, in my opinion, need to realize that whatever
> > they do, reflects ... not only on themselves .. but
> > also on their family's last name ... on their friends
> > ... on groups they belong to ... on their church they
> > attend ... on their company ... and on their country
> > as a whole.
> >
> > Btw, on the issue on automobile crumpling ... I
> > understand what it's for.  However, I feel it to be
> > "such a waste".  'Cause now you've gotta throw the car
> > away.  Too bad there wasn't a way to make the Car as a
> > whole SOLID AS A ROCK ... but yet have some cheap,
> > throw away "liner" on the inside that one removes
> > after a collision ... throws away ... and replaces
> > with a new one ... for "$5.00".  That way, the
> > majority of the car can be saved.  Just a thought.
> >
> > my $0.02,
> >
> > Curtis
> >
> >
> > --- Christopher Witmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I can tell you who wouldn't notice in any case: that
> > guy driving the SUV in front me this morning, whose
> > kids were using the rear seat for a trampoline. And
> > also my neighbor down the street who  drives her SUV
> > with her baby variously seated or standing in her lap.
> >
> > You are right, Keith, about there being no direct
> > connection between vehicle size and safety. It has a
> > lot more to do with the number of functioning neurons
> > in the driver's brain.
> >
> > Some heavier cars are so stiff that they transfer the
> > force of a collision to the occupants; a well-designed
> > lighter vehicle will crumple (by design) to absorb the
> > force of impact without transferring it so directly it
> > to the occupants.
> >
> >
> >
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