Hallo, Tuesday, 06 January, 2004, 14:23:38, you wrote:
t> I am not enthusiatic, but accept war as a necessity, especially t> considering that the other side (islamicists and sponsors of t> terrorism) is the one that declared war on us. Oh yeah - I forgot t> about that. Friend, it appears that you are either ignorant of recent history or just do not understand it. If you want to get to the root of the modern problems in the middle east do a google search (or your search engine of choice) for the Balfour Declaration, the Stern Gang and read about how the British created the artificial state of Iraq, a non-existant state before the 1920's, out of 3 disparate peoples for their own oil and profits. You may also find that Great Britain was the first country to purposely bomb a civilian population in that little episode as well. Further, we are occupying Iraq and Iraq has never strayed past its neighbors. Bin Laden is a Saudi and it was his boys who perpetrated 911. Bin Laden hates Sadaam and Iraq had nothing to do with 911 so if Iraq had nothing to do with it then why are we there when by your "logic" we should be bombing the Saudis? ...snip... t>I did apply to the CIA and NSA, but t> they didn't want me. However, I was willing to go and did apply. Well, the unit I was with in the service was under the direct control and oversight of the NSA and NSG. In 1966 the CIA was courting me but I declined their invitation to play. Just a couple of months ago while going through my file cabinet I found the 4 recruitment letters they sent me. They evidently liked my interview with them. You really didn't miss out on anything by not being accepted however. It really isn't like it is on TV. By the way, mentioning that they turned you down is not a point in your favor. Raises that nagging question, "Why didn't they want him? What was the problem?" It is generally psych evals or problems in obtaining a security clearance. t> I am not a chicken hawk, we are at war. the other side started it. our t> enemy is at least as hostile to liberal western civilization as any t> enemy in the past, including facsism and communism as practiced by t> mussolini, hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot, etc. The other side views our t> entire culture and civilization as invalid and wants all of us dead, t> or at least to remove our ability to direct our own lives. This is absolute hogwash. All they want is us out of their lives and countries. By the way, are you aware that one of the tools used by businesses and actually taught in management classes in business college is to keep your employees off center and angry enough to increase their productivity and their attention off the company but not angry enough to do something deliterious such as strike? It is the same tool that regimes use to keep the power and control. If you have an enemy to concentrate on you will not be looking critically at the regime. In time of war it is easy. It is just as easy in peacetime when you pit black against white against mexican against Jew against Christian against inner city against rural folks. t> I happen to believe that modern western liberal judeao-christian t> democracy is the best culture, the best set of values, that this planet t> has ever produced and I will fight to preserve it. Oh, looks like I forgot that one. Pit modern western liberal judeao-christian democracy against the heathens. Silly me. t> "there is good in this world and it is worth fighting for" Sam Gamgee Well, if Sam were here I am sure he would feel raped and abused by having his words turned to the low purpose you use them for. Perhaps you forget but the fellowship was made up of various races inhabiting Middle Earth and the foe they fought was not willing to stay in his own back yard and play. He wanted the whole neighborhood. If you want to label someone Sauron in this metaphor then that would be the greed, power and lust for control and wealth which the United States has in spades. The "islamicists" are not by any means Sauron. They didn't come over here until they had been abused for nearly a century and they are not trying to take anything away from us. Are you sure you're not related to Saruman? ;o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli ******** The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" ******** Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. 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