Sorry Martin and Hakan, I'm afraid that I only skimmed through the page and the posts. When Hakan mentioned a void in the industry in the 150-200 watt range I "disconnected" and automatically presumed the void in the 150-200 kW range.
I guess I just didn't grasp the concept of a half dozen or more anemometers on a single housetop or a rationale for why. Most houses "need" 400 watts and higher just to wake up and keep one eyelid propped open. My error...at least twice over. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine > "Appal", > Read the article he wrote about it, he was talking about 150-200 watt > turbines. > -Martin Klingensmith > > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 00:05, Appal Energy wrote: > > Sorry Hakan. > > > > If you were to ask me? I'd say it can't be done quite the way you would > > wish. > > > > Whether you choose vertical or horizontal axis turbines, the height of the > > foils themselves would preclude "roof mount" once you get past two or three > > horsepower - 1.5 to 2 kW. Even then the degree of elevation needed for foil > > clearance would require a micro-tower structure on top of a stable roof > > system and the roof would have to be at something akin to a summit to begin > > with. In all probability more advantageous to separate the housing unit from > > the elevating tower once you get beyond a few hundred watts. > > > > If you were in the 50 kW range, I would say that you could reduce your costs > > by building your own tower, presuming you had an engineer and welder who > > didn't mind working for chips and beer on weekends. With a bit 'o luck you > > could trade a keg or two of Sven's Black Powder Porter to the owner of the > > crane company to help you get the tower and turbine vertical. > > > > 'Course, you better make sure that the crane company owner is someone you > > can tolerate for the next 50 years, 'cause he's gonna' be around every other > > weekend to admire his handiwork and swill more beer. > > > > Beyond 50 kW? You're speaking of some reasonably serious industrial > > construction. While 200 kW sized units are few and far between, the > > technology and mechanics aren't a great deal different from a 600 kW or 1.5 > > mW unit. > > > > 200 kW is a boatload of output. You're speaking of powering a small > > subdivision or the residential side of a small but posh ski resort. > > > > Me thinks that if one is considering a scale of ~200kW, it's time to call > > your in-law banker and a few others with not necessarily too deep pockets > > who are looking for a way to shelter their money from depreciation. Perhaps > > by the time they down the third gin and tonic they might even be thinking on > > the scale of megawatt? > > > > Only so much you can do on a cobbler's budget. > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine > > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd and Robert, > > > > > > Please read my article, I am looking for 150 to 200 watt turbines at a > > very > > > low price, that can be mounted on a villa roof in an urban area. -:) > > > > > > Sorry if I was not clear, it is difficult to explain. > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > > At 04:10 07/01/2004, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Appal Energy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hakan, > > > > > > > > > > Here are a couple of continental options. The 50 kw is not in > > > > > production > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.bergey.com/excel.html>http://www.bergey.com/excel.html > > > > > http://www.bergey.com/Products/XL50.html > > > > > <http://www.bergey.com/>http://www.bergey.com/ > > > > > > > > > > They've been in commercial production for close nigh to twenty-five > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Bergeys are very robust machines. Their longevity in business > > > >is a tribute to their quality, and if I could afford one, I'd own one! > > > >Interestingly, however, I remember an article several years ago (I think > > > >it was in Home Power, if I'm not mistaken) in which the Bergeys were > > > >criticized for producing less power than was claimed by the > > > >manufacturer. > > > > > > > > Here are some additional small turbine links, if anyone is > > > >interested: > > > > > > > > <http://www.windenergy.com/>http://www.windenergy.com/ > > > > > > > > http://www.wvt.de/englisch/html/energie_1.htm (This one looks > > > >really cool!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/windpower.html>http://www.hydrogenapplia > > nces.com/windpower.html > > > >(Beware--their > > > >address is a mail box only!) > > > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > > > > > > >robert luis rabello > > > >"The Edge of Justice" > > > >Adventure for Your Mind > > > > > ><http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782>http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/978 > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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