Hi Keith,

You are absolutely right that the average person stood up and took notice of the movie, people who didn't pay attention to GHG previous to the movie. Education and timing are the key points for this discussion. People need to be educated about GHG's and there is urgency needed. Al Gore met both of these points.

Terry Dyck


From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:27:39 +0900

> >What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: "The message is - It
> >isnt really that important. If it were I would do it."
>
>That is Gores message. It isnt worth doing. Things worth doing get
>done. Especially if it is just for ambiance.
>I can understand keeping the house at 77 instead of opening the
>windows to 85 evening air. Thats human. Selfish - but human.
>But to carry the message we are killing the planet and indulge in
>nat gas ambiance - that is incomprehensible. It means in his heart
>it is a no sale. or he is mad as a hatter.
>
>Kirk

He's a closet nat gas ambience indulger?

:-/

Sorry Kirk, as a demonstration of his sincerity or lack of it that's
right up there with his doing live shows instead of video
conferencing. IMHO,

It fails to distract from the point, which is that Al Gore and his
soft-sell movie have been THE major factor in breaking through the
laager of global warming denial in the US, putting it on the map
throughout the media and the community with a high priority level,
and opening the way for the changes we see everywhere now, in stark
contrast to the inaction of a year ago. About bloody time too, 20
years later, 20 years plus many billions of tons of carbon emissions.

The purpose of this smear was just that, to distract from that point,
and it seems to have worked in some cases at least. It won't get far,
too late for that now, though Drew Johnson of the Tennessee Center
for Policy Research will no doubt not go short of grants from Big
Fossil nor ever higher fees for rightwing speaking engagements. So
what.

Best

Keith


>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>:-)
>
>Spin sure works well huh? See how easy it is to distract and redirect
>attention from what matters to what doesn't. And how nobody thinks to
>apply the same thinking to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research,
>for instance, or to see how well the epithets they throw at Gore
>might apply to them, to those whose pockets they're in, and indeed
>generally to the so-called "free" market that they espouse. Where
>exactly is the Tennessee Center for Policy Research coming from? From
>the American Enterprise Institute, for one.
>http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Enterprise_Institute
>American Enterprise Institute - SourceWatch
>
>There's a lot about where the AEI is coming from in the list
>archives. See how deep you can dig before you hit ExxonMobil and all
>the rest of the usual suspects.
>
>What sort of lamps do they have burning in their yard, do you think?
>
>Thought we'd've learnt a little more here by now.
>
>What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: "The message is - It
>isnt really that important. If it were I would do it."
>
>What exactly would you do if what were?
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
> >Weakness?
> >gas lamps in the yard are not an indulgance in driving a bit too
> >fast or fogetting to turn off the light in the kitchen.
> >If you dont see anything wrong with that then I suppose you would
> >accept Bush as a spokesman for civil liberty
> >and honesty in politics.
> >
> >Kirk
> >
> >Terry Dyck wrote:
> >
> >Hi Kirk,
> >
> >When a do gooder becomes as famous as Al Gore there are always going to be > >people who will point out weeknesses that he may have. On the other hand I > >am looking at the good that Al Gore has done at educating the public about > >Global Warming. The "Live Earth" concert that Al Gore is doing on July 7, > >2007 on 7 continents will be one of the best things to educate people and
> >make them aware of GHG s. Billions of people will watch this 24 hour
> >concert all over this planet.
> >When it comes to walking the walk, some people have done this and the media > >hasn't really picked up on it. In Canada the national leader of the N.D.P > >federal political party, Jack Layton, bikes to work and has solar power and > >heating in his home and does other green things but this is not known by > >very many people. On the other hand the Prime Minister of Canada gets lots > >of publicity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.
> >
> >Terry Dyck
> >
> >
> > >From: Kirk McLoren
> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > >To: biofuel
> > >Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
> > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
> > > Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut
> > >back, he uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else…
> > > http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=5072659
> > >
> > > Heated pools…electronic gates…gas lanterns in yard…and $30,000 a year in
> > >utility bills. How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
> > >
> > > (2/27/07 - NASHVILLE, TN) - Back home in Tennessee, safely ensconced in > > >his suburban Nashville home, Vice President Al Gore is no doubt basking in > > >the Oscar awarded to "An Inconvenient Truth," the documentary he inspired > > >and in which he starred. But a local free-market think tank is trying to
> > >make that very home emblematic of what it deems Gore's environmental
> > >hypocrisy.
> > >
> > > Armed with Gore's utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee > > >Center for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills
> > >for the former vice president's 20-room home and pool house
>devoured nearly
> > >221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of
> > >10,656 kilowatt-hours.
> > >
> > > "If this were any other person with $30,000-a-year in utility bills, I
> > >wouldn't care," says the Center's 27-year-old president, Drew
>Johnson. "But
> > >he tells other people how to live and he's not following his own rules."
> > >
> > > Scoffed a former Gore adviser in response: "I think what you're seeing > > >here is the last gasp of the global warming skeptics. They've completely
> > >lost the debate on the issue so now they're just attacking their most
> > >effective opponent."
> > >
> > > Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the
> > >Center's figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed
> > >out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she
>argued that
> > >"the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon
>footprint. And
> > >what Vice President Gore has asked is for families to calculate that
> > >footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it."
> > >
> > > A carbon footprint is a calculation of the CO2 fossil fuel emissions
> > >each person is responsible for, either directly because of his or her
> > >transportation and energy consumption or indirectly because of the
> > >manufacture and eventual breakdown of products he or she uses. (You can
> > >calculate your own carbon footprint on the website
> > >http://www.carbonfootprint.com/)
> > >
> > > The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries
> > >to offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power
>through the local
> > >Green Power Switch program — electricity generated through renewable
> > >resources such as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create
>less waste and
> > >pollution. "In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels > > >on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added.
> > >"They also use compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency
> > >measures and then they purchase offsets for their carbon
>emissions to bring
> > >their carbon footprint down to zero."
> > >
> > > These efforts did little to impress Johnson. "I appreciate the solar
> > >panels," he said, "but he also has natural gas lanterns in his yard, a > > >heated pool, and an electric gate. While I appreciate that he's switching > > >out some light bulbs, he is not living the lifestyle that he advocates."
> > >
> > > The Center claims that Nashville Electric Services records show the
> > >Gores in 2006 averaged a monthly electricity bill of $1,359 for using
> > >18,414 kilowatt-hours, and $1,461 per month for using 16,200
>kilowatt-hours
> > >in 2005. During that time, Nashville Gas Company billed the family an
> > >average of $536 a month for the main house and $544 for the pool house in
> > >2006, and $640 for the main house and $525 for the pool house in
>2005. That
> > >averages out to be $29,268 in gas and electric bills for the
>Gores in 2006,
> > >$31,512 in 2005.


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