Hi Phi, Your idea of a web-enabled SVg renderer is great and I support the concept if y. Is that an SVG-1.2-full renderer? I am interested to see how you will support things like SMIL events and xmlhttprequest-driven serverside-driven updates. If you manage this, I will be very happy. Even if you only support SVGT, that would already be excellent.
However, I have some issues with your point of view: 1. Why do you say adobe has abandoned SVG? Have Adobe pulled ASV and forbidden you from using it? As far as I an tell, this has not happened. Adobe may have decided to stop developing ASV as a product, but so what? That's their own loss. There are other SVG viewer implementations out there, and at least one on the very near horizon. 2. There is already an SVG viewer solution for every platform: Batik. And for each major platform, there is at least one SVG implementation. If you mean cross-browser SVG support, I do not think you can expect much joy. After all, it is a bit much to ask modern developers to continue to support IE6 forever. After all, IE6 is really starting to show its age and is totally out of date. Microsoft can refuse to update their browser, but they do so at their own risk. And while rumours of a pending IE7 abound, I'm not holding my breath for this to be usable on current hardware. I'll be pleasantly surprised to hear of IE7 running on WindowsXP on a 2004-2006 PC or laptop. 3. There is a lot more to SVG than rendering the pixels. time management, transparency management, and event handling are fairly complex things that will be difficult to mimick in dhtml and javascript alone. Of course, you *could* generate pixel maps of an SVG drawing, but doing so is pointless. Exactly what SVG is good at, pixel maps suck at... distinct object context handling. 4. Does your cross.browser free SVG editor work on Konqueror? Can you show a link? Is it better than Batik-based SVG editors? 5. I do not understand why people starved for an SVG plugin to IE6 do not simply compile a Batik applet to handle their SVG. Shouldnt that work? Sure, it would be fat... But it would work. and bandwidth is pretty good these days. For web2.0 apps, this solution should suffice. 6. I am not sure what you mean by dealing with black boxes. The source code for every SVG implementation in the wild except ASV and CSV is freely available. All you need to do is read it. Ronan On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:53, Phi Tran wrote: > But as you know ADOBE is abandoned SVG viewer. > And > 1- It is not CROSS-BROWSER such as IE > 2- I don't like to deal with black box. I want to allow the Web author more > flexibility such as to know that color a point is; or he/she what to just > move/change one item/element . . . > 3- It just a sub product of my Cross-platform/ Cross-browser web-base, Free > SVG editor. > > Hope You may Understand. > > > Phi > > On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch > > for SVG > > when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's > > SVG > > team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. > > > > I'd suggest you contribute to an existing SVG browser implementation. > > > > Ronan > > > > On Tuesday 31 January 2006 19:17, Pedro Henrique de Lira wrote: > > > OK, > > > > > > but we need a plugin similar to flash plugin, > > > with all functions of the specificaition 1.1 W3C. > > > > > > Don't you think ? > > > > > > []s > > > > > > Phi Tran escreveu: > > > >FYI. > > > > > > > >Yes. and No. > > > > > > > >Yes there are some models floating on the NET. > > > > > > > >1- Server side java base SVG -> Png (from SUN and GOOLE). (You can > > > > obtain > > > > > >source ??). > > > >2- Java base Applet that can render SVG image. (Not very impressive) > > > >3- Similar to FishEye Menu (on the net). Requiring client/server round > > > > trip? 4- I have first hand knowedge of a Client side Javascript SVG > > > > render It look sleek. Hoppfully it will be available in a few week. > > > > > > > >On 1/31/06, Pedro Henrique de Lira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Hi, > > > >> > > > >>There are some plugin opensource that reinderized svg images in the > > > >>browser IE and FF that get all funcionalities in the especification > > > > 1.1 > > > > > >>disponibilized for the W3c....otherwise we can start this > > > > ideia/solution > > > > > >>??? > > > >> > > > >>I know that the FF 1.5 had the svg *INTERNAL* but not have all > > > >>funcionalities and not is good to depend the plugin of the adobe wich > > > >>was been abandoned. > > > >> > > > >>thank's > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>----- > > > >>To unsubscribe send a message to: > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>-or- > > > >>visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > > > >>membership" > > > >>---- > > > >>Yahoo! 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