I like to share with you all some of my thoughts based on reasoning and my observation and as result on some of my experience:
1- You all know having a very good welcome and much more potential then "FLASH". Adobe has more reputation then Macromedia, they an easily push it thru to become wide accepted standard but they choose other way around?. It tell me something that either they could not find the talented resource enough to make it thru or the architect of it has some flaws/hurdle to make SVG become inferior or both. To me this is admittance on Adobe part that SVG will not serve their purpose and inferior to Flash? 2- We have got into this dilemma: a- If we put everything (Script and event) inside the SVG then 'SVG" can not access external elements. Then this is nothing more then an other 'Flash". In this case I have not seen any player can have it technically competitive yet simply it's veeeeeeery slow. I personally have done some research on "Batik" and "FF" on this matter and I don't think that architect can helping me to overcome this hurdle. b- If we put the SVG outside of the player and/or using SVG-outside javascript making SVG as a part of the DOM. I have give up on this when all time and every time IE will fails me if there is about 5-6000 elements total I have not come up with the exact number yet but 6000 is a sure shot. FF other hand do not fail me on about 7000 yet but it cost me two arms and a leg to have an element update. (I have not counting the loading time yet). c- As some have suggested: Take the code from Batik or FF then make it work on IE? building a "Me too" ? It is not going to be better either -I think?-. d- I do believe the VML plug-gin for none IE may be more appealing to big player such as Google map then having SVG or even MS live local ? 3- Let's be real: Just give me an percentage of client that does not have access to IE. You can have 15-20% of the client that have FF or Opera. Among them how many does not have access to IE ? I think this number is veeeeery small. 4- Does Microsoft having any incentive to have SVG "natively support" ?. give these facts/fact-toids a- They already have VML. b- It does not take much time to get the open source then make it become an plug-gin activeX as of AVG. As the way MS does in the pass with "filer activeX"; 99% percent of the development are already there?. I think this will become one more "Flash" inferior product. Not counting that MS are competing with Adobe on other areas of the Web development? Another ActiveX "Me too" ? c- "Hope" come when other browsers are supporting SVG? will it cause MS to support SVG?. Without any other development we are all hung by a thread. ASV is an ActiveX which is OS application now it works on XP, 2000. Does it work on Vista? LongHorn?. ONLY THE FUTURE WILL TELL. Thanks Phi On 6/2/06, Jeff Schiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, digging a little more the spec > (http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/attindex.html) says that xlink:href is not > defined for the script element after all. Is this something that all > implementations have just decided to do anyway? Seems sensible and it > currently works in ASV, Opera, and Firefox... > > And what is the externalResourcesRequired attribute all about? > > Now I'm confused... > > Jeff > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Schiller" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This is one of the things which confused me in the very beginning. > > The <script> element in SVG is not exactly the same as the <script> > > element in HTML. It is not obvious how to include external scripts > > from the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/script.html#ScriptElement > > It's like the specification is intentionally confusing on this point. > > > > You have to use the xlink:href attribute, not the src attribute. > > Furthermore, the xlink namespace needs to be defined up front on your > > SVG element: > > > > <svg version="1.1" ... > > onload="init();" > > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; > > xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; > > > > > <script xlink:href="yourscript.js"/> > > </svg> > > > > Another option is to include the script in the body of the <script> > > element (be sure to use CDATA block if you use characters like <, >, > etc). > > > > Also, if all your functionality is happening in the SVG file directly, > > I advise you to do away with the referencing HTML document as it > > serves no purpose. > > > > Regards, > > Jeff > > > > > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Pramod Eligeti." > > <pramodcse@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > i just have a simple doubt in SVG. > > > > > > > > > 1. <body scroll="no"> > > > <embed src="WorldView.svg" type="image/svg+xml" width="100%" > > > height="100% > > > > > > "pluginspage="http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html";> > > > <div id="infoDiv"></div> > > > </body> > > > -------------------------> here i am including the SVG "WorldView" > > > document in the XHTML page. > > > > > > 2. <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > src="ClientEventHandler.js"> </script> > > > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > src="XMLHttpRequest.js"> </script> > > > > > > ------------------> i have included these 2 java script files in the > > > same XHTML page which have functions > > > > > > for Init n getTrueCoords defined in SVG document. > > > > > > > > > 3. <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; onload='Init(evt)' > > > onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); > > > > > > ShowTooltip(evt, true)' > > > onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)'> > > > > > > <g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none'> > > > > > > <rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' > > > ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/> > > > <text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' > > > font-size='13'> > > > <tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue'> > > > </tspan> > > > </text> > > > > > > </g> > > > > > > -------------> here is the code in "WordView" svg document. > > > > > > 4. In the first JS file "ClientEventHandler.js" i have the funtions > > > Init, GetTrueCoords(evt) ..... so on. > > > > > > now when a user preform some action like click an element say circle > > > shape of SVG document, this JS script > > > > > > makes AJAX (XHR) requests n comes with an XML with some data, which i > > > will parse n update the SVG document > > > > > > dynamically. Since this SVG is embedded in the HTML page, the page > > > shows the necessary updated data. > > > > > > Now my doubt is why to serve HTML page when user starts from the > > > browser rather than the SVG document > > > > > > directly. > > > > > > for that i need to include the 2 external javascript files in the SVG > > > document so that i directly invoke > > > > > > the SVG document from the browser. i just tried to do like this but it > > > doesnt work. > > > > > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; onload='Init(evt)' > > > onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); > > > > > > ShowTooltip(evt, true)' > > > onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)'> > > > > > > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > src="ClientEventHandler.js"> </script> > > > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > src="XMLHttpRequest.js"> </script> > > > > > > <g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none'> > > > > > > <rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' > > > ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/> > > > <text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' > > > font-size='13'> > > > <tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue'> > > > </tspan> > > > </text> > > > > > > </g> > > > > > > </svg> > > > > > > but here it says unable to find Init n other functions. > > > > > > I also want suggestions that which is the good method to either embed > > > SVG in HTML page or directly use SVG > > > > > > alone for web applications. > > > > > > Tnks for suggestions n comments, > > > > > > Byee, > > > Pramod. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > To unsubscribe send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > membership" > ---- > Yahoo! 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