Hi everybody!

@Jo and @Tim: I am not sure about the license and I was asking myself if I
could use it or not... Actually, it's a friend of mine, who is also mapper,
who told me he obtains this file from the city of Liege a couple of years
ago. He could use it for maps from pro-velo, I think. I am going to clarify
that with him, I think he is advised about this question of license but he
did not told me explicitly the data were open.

(This user also had a contact last month with the service of "urbanisme" who
use map-tools, which was quite enthusiast as he explained OSM... Maybe
something, one day? We are going to talk again with this service in a couple
of days...)

@Jo: Yes, your proposition sounds good for me. I have already made import
from OSM into a postgis database. I was thinking about something with a php
(i know php better than python) script and a database with a recent import.
I don't have a lot of time for doing that, if you feel ready to help me I
will be happy... If, you too, you don't have much time I will cope, but it
won't be next week...

@all: I don't like the tag cycleway=opposite too, for the same reason: it is
confusing. But it is a lot more used than bicycle:oneway=no or
oneway:bicycle=no. cycleway=opposite is used 17212 times, oneway:bicycle 673
and bicycle:oneway 1228. The question is: should we not change something
because it is used many times? Or should we adopt tag habits we are
consistent (FR: cohérent)?

May i, in my future screen, add both tags (cycleway=opposite +
bicycle:oneway=no) ?

Julien


2011/3/22 Ben Laenen <benlae...@gmail.com>

> Andre Engels wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Renaud MICHEL <r.h.michel+...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
> > > On mardi 22 mars 2011 at 18:39, Jo wrote :
> > >> cycleway=opposite (converted to the proper xml-format) and tag the way
> > >> as modified.
> > >
> > > I don't think that tag is appropriate.
> > > It implies that there is a real cycleway on the road, but in Liege (and
> > > many other places in wallonia) you simply have an exclusion to the
> > > oneway for bicycles.
> >
> > No, cycleway=opposite means exactly that - a one way road that
> > cyclists are allowed to ride in the opposite direction. See
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>
> The main problem with it is that it doesn't tell anything about mopeds. As
> you
> know many oneway streets also allow mopeds class A in the opposite
> direction.
>
> My preference has always gone to
>
> bicycle:oneway=no
> moped_A:oneway=no
>
> and I'm sure that the reasoning why I choose this and not oneway:bicycle=no
> can be found in a couple of places in different discussions in mailing
> lists
> and wiki, but I'm not gonna dig those up now. My unfinished traffic signs
> tool
> also makes use of these:
> http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~eimai/verkeersborden/
>
> Ben
>
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