Marcus Aurelius wrote:
--- "A.J.Mechelynck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
This approach has already been attempted, not just once as Bram said, but at
least twice (evim and mswin.vim), and the results are far from convincing:
"easy" vim is actually harder to use, and mswin.vim makes some useful Vim
features inacessible, and for others, forces constant reminders everywhere in
the help and in support mailing lists: "If you use Ctrl-V to paste, use
Ctrl-Q
instead whenever the help says to use Ctrl-V".
"Cream for Vim" may be a third attempt but I'm not sure, I haven't looked
into it.
I think i must defend mswin.vim here (and ":behave mswin") ;-)
Some shortcuts are really invaluable:
Ctrl+S (save, compare to :w; i use Ctrl+S a lot!), Ctrl+Tab (next window,
compare to Ctrl+W, W), Ctrl+Z (undo... i'm so used to Ctrl+Z...),
Others, such as Ctrl+A (select all) and Ctrl+V (paste) do conflict with other
commands, but compare them to ggVG and "+p
Sometimes i miss Ctrl+Backspace (for delete word backward) and Ctrl+Delete
(delete word forward).
My main gripe about Vim commands is that gj and gk are almost unusable without
a bunch of mappings, and formatting a paragraph takes 4 keys (gwip - i hav
mapped it to F12). Well, if you format the paragraph you don't need gj and gk,
but you get the idea... ;-)
I do like Vim commands, but the commands Ctrl+{A,Z,X,C,V,Y,Tab} are so widely
available that i'm used to use them in Vim too.
Marcus
- I use Ctrl-A (increment number) a lot. i_CTRL-A (repeat insert) I don't but
it exists. For Select all I do use ggVG (or GVgg or VG if I'm at top or Vgg if
I'm at bottom) which isn't hard to remember because I also use gg V and G a
lot separately.
- CTRL-S apparently isn't mapped in Vim. For "save" I've mapped F3 as follows:
:map <F3> :wa|wv<CR>
:imap <F3> <C-O>:wa|wv<CR>
In other programs I don't use Ctrl-S but File => Save using the mouse. I don't
use that much though, because I use Vim exclusively for all editing tasks.
- CTRL-Z (both Normal and Insert) is suspend, I use :sus . For undo I use u
which is even easier than Ctrl-Z (u-for-undo, and no modifier key).
- I use Ctrl-X (decrement number) a lot; i_CTRL-X starts Insert completion of
various kinds, including i_CTRL-X_CTRL-O (omnicompletion) which I'm still
learning to use; but it's useful enough that I've set up syntax completion
using the distributed autoload/syntaxcomplete.vim and a custom script (copied
from ":help ft-syntax-omni") in .vim/after/plugin/.
- Ctrl-C is Stop; I don't know where is Ctrl-Break. i_CTRL-C is leave Insert
mode, I use Esc. For copy-to-clipboard I use "+y and :y + -- see below. (For
"copy all to clipboard" I use :%y + which is one command, rather than Ctrl-A
Ctrl-C which is two commands.) In Dos/Windows, Ctrl-C existed as "stop" in Dos
long before Windows invented to use it for Copy -- and I'm an old Dos hand, so
Ctrl-C = stop is no less familiar to me than Ctrl-C = copy.
- Ctrl-V is start Block visual; i_CTRL-V is Literalize; I use them both.
Having to mention Ctrl-Q on the list because I don't know whether the other
guy is or isn't using mswin.vim is a hassle; and if I don't, there are too
many newbies who don't realize that the "true" Vim function of Ctrl-V is
hidden from them. I do use "+p "+P and ":put +", and I've also mapped F4 to
:$put + to paste linewise at end-of-file. I also use "+y and :y + as well as
"+d and :d + but when pasting within Vim I don't use the clipboard at all: I
use the unnamed register instead, or named registers for repeated pastes.
- Ctrl-Y is Scroll, i_CTRL-Y is Insert character above cursor. I don't use
them much but they're there. For redo I use Ctrl-R which isn't harder to type
than Ctrl-Y -- and easier to remember since "R" is the first letter of "Redo".
- I'm not sure what Ctrl-Tab means in "native Vim", if anything, but I can't
use that keychord because my kde window manager preempts it ("select virtual
desktop") and it never gets to Vim. Anyway, to move to next window I know
about Ctrl-W w. I even use that so much that I've mapped F11 to ^Ww (next or
nth window) and Shift-F11 to ^WW (previous or nth window).
- Ctrl-BS and Ctrl-Del I didn't know about; in Vim, Ctrl-BS is mentioned in
the help; it extends a Visual area to the left margin; Ctrl-Del is, according
to the help, "cut Visual area"; on my Linux system it does cut but not to
clipboard. You can remap them to anything if you like. To delete words, I use
diw (delete inner word) and daw (delete a word) which are both useful and
intuitive.
I have files where I intentionally have long lines and I use gj and gk (so
much that I've remapped them to <Up> and <Down>). I don't see why you gripe
about "a bunch" of mappings: the mappings I need, or want, are in my vimrc or
in some other script, and they are part of "my" Vim settings -- they don't
count as "a bunch", since I don't have to do them over every time Vim starts.
Summary: I still think that mswin.vim is a PITA and that whoever needs quick
mappings for some of its functions can define them. Of course it's just my
opinion. Anyone still wants to use mswin.vim, go ahead; but I for one wouldn't
mourn it if it were to disappear. IMHO its rightful place might be at
vim-online but it isn't in $VIMRUNTIME with every distribution.
About the ":behave" statement, I use the following which are neither ":behave
mswin" nor ":behave xterm" but somewhere between them:
:set selectmode=mouse,key selection=inclusive
:set mousemodel=popup keymodel=startsel
Best regards,
Tony.
