More: http://www.inquisitr.com/1231307/women-rape-men-a-lot-more-than-you-think-study/
And despite what you say, a woman slapping a man is often seen as funny. A man slapping a woman is judged far more harshly. Back to the subject of work. I am not saying that men having the dangerous jobs began with feminism. Rather the fact that men have continued to be seen as more disposable is in large part because of the focus of the rights women have, with a simultaneous subjugation of men. And I do believe if the situation was reversed, there would have been a lot more done about it. Of course I do accept improvements have been made. Still, plenty of extremely dangerous jobs exist for men, I live in a logging town. Now that is up there with atlantic fishing in a small boat danger wise. John On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 4:16 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's pretty rapid growth in Feminism. > > It is a strange backwards label. > > The movement has been how women can and should become more masculine. > > Masculinism could be a movement where guys wear dresses, lippy and put on > bra's and have doors opened for them at that rate. > > Perhaps feminism (or some variations of it) should be called "Masculinism > for women". > > But now we are sooo far off topic. > > The stats do support that men are victims of spousal abuse almost as much > as women: > > http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence > > Sure, I don't deny that on average a violent man can do more harm in a > physical altercation with a woman than the woman can do. > But that speaks more to the degree of injury, not the abuse in the first > place. > > Here women are 40% of rapists: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5414518 > > Those figures are from the US, but I once found UK numbers that were > similar. > > I don't deny that this is surprising, hard to believe and difficult to > take seriously. > But sometimes we only get half the story. > > Society only hears what it has an appetite to listen to. > > The best kept secrets are the ones that keep themselves. > > John > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> John, >> >> Recently it occurred to me that Google Ngram could be used gauge societal >> attitudes about men and women over time. This Google Ngram graphs the >> usage of the words "feminist", "feminine" and "masculine" from 1700 to 2008 >> as they are used in English books. >> >> >> https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=feminism%2Cfeminine%2Cmasculine&year_start=1700&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cfeminism%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cfeminine%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmasculine%3B%2Cc0 >> >> Notice the cross over around 1836 for "feminine" and "masculine" and how >> the usage of "feminist" begins to rise sharply around 1970. >> >> Harry >> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:47 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The point that I believe Harry and I am making is not that women have >>> always had safer jobs than men. >>> >>> But rather that in modern western feminist society this is the case. >>> >>> There are just as many men battered by women apparently. >>> And did you even know that men being raped by women actually happens >>> despite obvious challenges, the some stats sow the incidences might be far >>> closer to parity that we could conceive. >>> >>> Of course more men are raped, by men in prison. >>> And many prisoners are not guilty, or are not being punished in an >>> even-handed manner. >>> >>> Pendulums can swing too far sometimes in the other direction. >>> >>> But I must just be a stupid man, because that's funny as the Simpsons, >>> Family Guy, Beer commercials, sitcoms and other media points out. >>> >>> A woman can slap a man and it is seen as ok, can a man slap a woman? >>> >>> There is an idea that sexism is only discrimination against women, and >>> that's the problem. >>> >>> Same is true of racism, it isn't always white people being the >>> perpetrators and black (brown, yellow) people are not always the victims. >>> Though the US still has a biiiig problem with racist white cops and a >>> biased 'injustice' system, but these things are not all one way. >>> >>> And inequality is inequality no matter which way it is pointed. >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think if as many women were killed at jobs, especially if it was the >>>>> same but reverse of the actual m/f ratio, there would have long ago been a >>>>> massive push to make these jobs safer. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There *has been* a massive push to make *all* jobs safer! Read >>>> history, for goodness sake. Read about mining. Look at ships, heavy >>>> equipment, factories, farming. Injuries and fatalities are far rarer than >>>> they used to be. >>>> >>>> Women working in 19th century factories died at a higher rate than men >>>> do nowadays. For that matter, children working in factories and mines were >>>> killed so often that some British mines had a rubber-stamp form to fill in >>>> the names and pay off the parents. A rubber-stamp! >>>> >>>> Look up "19th century child labor" images on Google, and you will see >>>> things like this of both boys and girls doing dangerous heavy labor in >>>> mines and elsewhere: >>>> >>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Childlabourcoal.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_childhood#/media/File:Coaltub.png >>>> >>>> Obviously, in Europe and the U.S. it was traditional for men to do >>>> dangerous jobs. The tradition lives on because, as I said, you have to grow >>>> up doing these things or you are likely to be killed. No one can just walk >>>> up and start working in a farm or on construction. You will cut your arm >>>> off with a power tool. >>>> >>>> In countries where women traditionally did some kinds of dangerous work >>>> in some industries, such as Japan, the fatality rate was worse than men. >>>> >>>> Even today, women in U.S. industry suffer a great deal, although they >>>> are no longer in as much danger of being killed. In Georgia and South >>>> Carolina, most chicken processing plants are staffed mainly by women. Their >>>> lives are not at risk, but they suffer horribly from repetitive stress >>>> syndrome. They are poor because these jobs don't pay a living wage. Many >>>> are illegal immigrants. So nothing is done about this problem. Also, >>>> Members of Congress and state government elected officials are on record >>>> saying that repetitive stress syndrome does not exist, and these women are >>>> malingering and trying to get free money. I expect such elected officials >>>> have never worked a day in their life at any manual job in a factory, farm >>>> or kitchen. I wish I could subject them to a month working in these places >>>> -- or I wish I could subject their wives and daughters to that. You would >>>> see new laws and improvements overnight! >>>> >>>> Again, it will be a better world when robots do that sort of work. The >>>> only problem is that people will go from having inadequate jobs that do not >>>> pay a living wage to having no jobs at all. >>>> >>>> - Jed >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
