so I have a good memory or not? can you answer? peter On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Giovanni Santostasi <gsantost...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And? > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Giovanni, just to check my memory- aren't you a known transhumanism >> author too, or it is only a coincidence of names? >> peter >> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Giovanni Santostasi < >> gsantost...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Please check my thread "customer warehouse". I show different types of >>> calculations to demonstrate how nonsensical Rossi's claims are. Somebody >>> should check my calculations are correct but I will share later the MatLab >>> code I used. One could do these calculations also as Fermi problems in >>> their head given that are order of magnitude estimates. >>> >>> Bottom line: any chemical process that you can conceive of (I looked at >>> warming up water, melting ice and salts, the most endothermic reactions I >>> could find) would require processing of tons of material every few days to >>> use the energy involved in this situation. >>> >>> For example if you use electrolysis that is pretty demanding >>> physical-chemistry process (that will require to transform the heat of the >>> eCat in electrical energy, not efficient but this is just to demonstrate >>> energy and mass involved) we are talking about 30 tons of water coming in >>> and 30 tons of hydrogen and oxygen coming out of that 6000 sq feet >>> warehouse every single week. You get similar numbers when you use reactions >>> with large enthalpies that could use the heat more directly. >>> >>> Please take a look at my thread where I show pics of the building and >>> the address. Google map it. Go at the street level. You can see it is a >>> commercial area but not at all an industrial zoned area. There is >>> absolutely no way to have swimming pools worth of water outside to exchange >>> it with, there is no way to bring in 30 tons of chemical material every few >>> days, process it, packing it in such a small warehouse in particular >>> without causing huge problems with the other businesses around (that are >>> all retailers), the owners of the building or the authorities. >>> >>> How much personnel does it take to process these quantities of material? >>> >>> The warehouse also needs to host the 1 MW plant and so on. >>> >>> I'm still doing calculations for venting the place but I bet you will >>> need hurricane winds strength ventilation to remove the heat. >>> >>> But if you use water that is much more efficient way to exchange heat >>> you will need to move 1 ton of hot water every second outside the building >>> (and bring in an equivalent cold water amount). That is almost 90,000 tons >>> of water every day. >>> Talk about the water bill or even what it will take to get that water >>> from the faucet or down a sink. >>> >>> As I said there is no way to recycle this amount of water without having >>> enormous quantities of pipes (we can do the calculations how big the piping >>> system needs to be) or swimming pools of steaming water outside the >>> building. Where in the parking lot? >>> >>> Please use common sense and some basic physics and you will see how >>> absurd the situation is. >>> >>> Giovanni >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Adrian, >>>> >>>> Actually, people asked AR if the process was endothermic and he said >>>> "Yes." When later asked if the heat that was not used was collected in >>>> water, he responded "Yes." >>>> >>>> People should consider that they are engaging in crowd sourced excuse >>>> making for him. He just has to sit back and wait for someone to suggest a >>>> possible explanation. >>>> >>>> Imagine how the response (or non-response) may have been different if >>>> an open ended question had been asked (e.g., what took place in the >>>> customer side with the heat?). >>>> >>>> In the case of the actual questions that were asked, a "Yes" can lend >>>> itself to future contradiction. For example, "Oh, I must have >>>> misunderstood the question. Language differences. he, he, he" >>>> >>>> Jack >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:10 PM a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry, you should read what Rossi actually said before making a >>>>> statement like that. Rossi said that the customer's process was >>>>> endothermic and the excess heat beyond that was vented. He didn't add >>>>> how >>>>> much was by air or radiation and how much through cooling water going to >>>>> the drain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/14/2016 8:34 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Daniel, >>>>> The main discussion we had in the last few days was about where the >>>>> heat is dumped. This is basic thermodynamics not sophisticated arguments >>>>> about Coulomb barrier shielding and so on. >>>>> Rossi claiming that the energy was used by chemical reactions and >>>>> therefore this why it didn't leave a thermal signature is bs. >>>>> Plain bs. No field of expertise needed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Daniel Rocha <danieldi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What field of expertise? This kind of argument is also used to "show" >>>>>> that cold fusion is bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2016-08-14 19:35 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi <gsantost...@gmail.com >>>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a PhD in Physics so I understand the basics of energy, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Peter Gluck >> Cluj, Romania >> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >> > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
