And there is yet another level of sadness in the more general subject of "battery powered circuits" especially when these are found in a situation of mixed AC and DC which is the situation where nearly instant recharge can be engineered by parameters such as pulse width.

It is possible that gain in a Manelas type device (which admittedly is not proved beyond a shadow of doubt) is happening in two linked places as a coordinated effect. One of the places is the battery itself and moreover, the gain in the billet does not happen without the gain in battery. They are linked. The reason for that is the two types of charge carriers and BEMF.

In batteries, the charge carrier is a heavy positive ion (heavy relative to the electron). In the magnetic circuit the charge carrier is the electron. The interplay of two dissimilar charge carriers has been said to be the source of gain when each is optimized. The lithium ion has more momentum than the electron when set in motion; but the BEMF from electrons will effectively reverse ion motion, which can provide instant recharge if the pulse width is optimized.

In short, if you look at the two types of carriers, the charge is the same but the ratio of momentum to charge varies several thousand fold. Plus, any battery is severely underrated in terms of usable chemical energy even without the instant recharge capability of an adjoining circuit.

I have been in touch for years with Cyril Smith, who has mastered the understanding of a similar device which uses magnets and batteries together - which reportedly worked for the Nazi during WWll according to reliable evidence. It is called the Coler Stromerzeuger, but that is fodder for another day. For German speakers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbYbiLXT7GY&html5=1


 Chris Zell wrote:

That is sad. I recall that what you are describing sounds exactly the same as the situation with the Correa device. The best he do was to swap battery packs again and again to show gain – but it seems that as soon as you introduce a battery pack into any such claim, disbelief arises.

*From:*Jones Beene

Unfortunately, the bullet-proof case for net energy gain was not made at the time. There is apparent gain, but not proved gain.

Brian Ahern ran the test for many days using a very high capacity battery array. At the end of the test, the battery pack appeared to be fully charged, but there's the rub "appeared to be".

LIPO batteries are well-known to present a pseudo voltage which is higher than the average voltage, especially in a case where HV BMEF is present ... and thus a large pack which seems fully charged could in fact have lost a great deal of charge. That is because measuring the voltage is the easy way to determine state of charge, and when it is known that pseudo-voltage happens, the results cannot be relied on.

Bottom line. Although we want want to think the battery pack was fully charged, the deal was not closed and doubt remains.


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