I still thinks they will reach 500 degrees months before 3000 degrees. I have got a lot of respect for getting that thing up to 3000.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 4:00 AM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> wrote: > PEVs are pocket change in a game of this magnitude. Time is of the > essence. If they were going to have trouble with a controller, that would > still happen. > > AA > > > On 3/27/2017 6:44 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote: > > >> That does not sound logical to me. They are close enough to having > photovoltaics that it seems pointless to mess around with water calorimetry. > > I believe that they would not risk damaging the photovoltaics with a bad > controller and spend quite some time to make it robust and verified, why not > spend time on validating the technology first or in parallel with this > effort. My impression is that they treat the PEV's as expensive equipment > that used > wrongly could stall the development. But you are right that if these risks > are small and if adding the PEV are a simple add-on then why not buy a Tesla > and have some fun. > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:19 PM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> > wrote: > >> Stefan, >> "I got the impression that these validatoins will be done when they close >> the system reliably and not when they manage to get the photovoltaics >> functioning which is logical." >> >> That does not sound logical to me. They are close enough to having >> photovoltaics that it seems pointless to mess around with water calorimetry. >> >> AA >> >> >> On 3/27/2017 1:54 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote: >> >> As I understand the crucial thing to achieve good evidences is to close >> the reactor and run it for long enough time with plain old water bath >> calormetry. Previously he had to shut down the experiment after just a >> short time. Closing the system can reveal new caveats and difficulties so >> this step can take considerable more time than what we heard so far. I got >> the impression that these validatoins will be done when they close the >> system reliably and not when they manage to get the photovoltaics >> functioning which is logical. But sure they should know by know the ball >> park of the release of energy if they are honest, and there have been >> several attempts to characterize this ballpark and all tell the same story. >> Also a system that releases 10MW from 10KW for say 15s should be obvious >> from pure inspection and rules of thumb estimates - but that conclusion is >> hard from just the videos so the careful need to wait for better evidences >> as always. As I tell all people I discuss this with, let's wait and see, >> what comes will come but sure it is a fun and entertaining ride - making >> energy from constructing dark matter, thats a great lol, and even greater >> so if it turns out to be real. >> >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I don't think anyone outside of Mills' team can say that he has made >>> even 1W of excess heat from any of his devices. The one quick bomb >>> calorimetry demo done was very crude calorimetry, was not believable, and a >>> paper was not published on it. If Mills wants to convince his critics, he >>> should publish credible calorimetry of one of his devices over the course >>> of a reasonable time period (at least twelve hours). He should describe >>> the experiment in detail, and provide data and analysis. He wouldn't have >>> to publish anything about what is inside his black box. He doesn't need to >>> wait on mythical photovoltaics to make this measurement. He could >>> establish credibility with one such paper. If he published a credible >>> paper, we would believe his result with some measure of confidence. There >>> must be a reason he hasn't established his credibility this way. >>> >>> Without having done this, he is relegating himself into the same class >>> of pseudo-science as Rossi: hyped un-demonstrated science. He shows pretty >>> stuff, but the data is never published, and then he moves on to something >>> else. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 9:55 AM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Brian, >>>> >>>> He has demonstrated the SunCell to various audiences. Mills says he >>>> will demonstrate the SunCell producing power soon after the required >>>> photovoltaics are developed and in pace - later this year. Obviously he >>>> can't do that before. >>>> >>>> You are saying he is a fraud and will never do that, without proof. I >>>> have trouble understanding the vocal critics here who seem to be of a class >>>> "NO! What was the question?" Strikes me as very unscientific. >>>> >>>> Slightly related see. http://www.scotsman.com/news/o >>>> pinion/uk-should-be-generating-research-into-world-changing- >>>> cold-fusion-system-1-4400376 >>>> >>>> AA >>>> >>>> On 3/27/2017 5:38 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: >>>> >>>> It has never been independently observed, but is often quoted. >>>> >>>> >>>> If it was true, he could openly demonstrate it operating. >>>> >>>> >> >> > >
