On 08.05.2015 11:30, Thomas Douillard wrote:
I don't get this, is this really a technical issue or just an interface
one ? It can be pretty clear to users that the semantic entity pages are
very different from lexical entities in the same instance just by
tweaking the UI. Or with separate instances this can be confusing as
well if not well done.
Is this a community issue ? Different project, different communities,
different site ? I really don't like it as it tends to make several
groups who can have difficulties to talk to each other and go on the
other site. I think as Wikidata community is already constituted and
tends to try to grow and advocate for the project, considering its
central situation in the ecosystem and that community tends to learn how
to make interproject social links, it would be beneficial imho to
continue to grow and to learn from here. There is strong connections
between words and senses.
I think in that global scheme, one or several instance is a mostly
technical detail that is not really important and that both solutions
can accommodate to distinct (or not) pages or distinct (or not) communities.
That's what I was thinking as well. As far as I see, whether it's one
site or two sites would not make much difference for users, other than
that the domain part of the URL would change and the menu/logo on the
left would be different. But the accounts would be the same, the
individual page contents would look the same, and the cross-links
between dictionary content and data content would also be the same.
Things would probably work fine either way.
Regards,
Markus
2015-05-08 11:15 GMT+02:00 Bene* <benestar.wikime...@gmail.com
<mailto:benestar.wikime...@gmail.com>>:
Hi
I do not think a separate Wikibase instance would be needed to
provide the data for Wiktionary. I think this can and should be
done on Wikidata. But as said by Milos and pointed out by
Gerard, lexical knowledge does indeed require a different data
schema. This is why the proposal introduces new entity types for
lexemes, forms, and senses. The data model is mostly based on
lexical ontologies that we surveyed, like LEMON and others.
I think a separate Wikibase installation would be much better than
adding lexical knowledge on Wikidata. Wikidata is about things in
the first place and Wiktionary is about words etc. So having a
Wikibase installation only for Wiktionary makes more sense in my
opinion as that is the same plan we currently have for
Commons/Wikiquote etc. It would still be connected to Wikidata in
ways like accepting items from Wikidata as values in statements and
having access to their data. However, we should separate lexical
knowledge and Wikidata also wiki-wise.
Best regards,
Bene
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