Hey Chuck.... your right of course. But at the risk of dating myself, when I first came to Hawaii in 1969 for my first tour in the Navy I was given a choice, fly or boat. A first class booking on the SS Lurline sure was tempting, but this sailor got sea sick far too easily so I opted to fly.
John Sent from my iPad John Baughman Kailua,Hawaii [email protected] > On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:32 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I assume he flew > > Regards > > Chuck > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 > Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064 > mailto:cjmiller<AT SIGN>informed-solutions.com > Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer > Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity > http://www.informed-solutions.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message and any attached documents contain information which may be > confidential, subject to privilege or exempt from disclosure under applicable > law. These materials are intended only for the use of the intended > recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission, you > are hereby notified that any distribution, disclosure, printing, copying, > storage, modification or the taking of any action in reliance upon this > transmission is strictly prohibited. Delivery of this message to any person > other than the intended recipient shall not compromise or waive such > confidentiality, privilege or exemption from disclosure as to this > communication. > >> On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hey John, >> How did you end up in Hawaii? >> Alan >> >> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:02 PM, John Baughman via 4D_Tech < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I am going to chime in here with a recent real world experience. >>> >>> A while back I posted to the NUG a problem that I was having with external >>> data storage using custom mode. When the data was updated and properly >>> saved to the external data folder, the field continued to display the old >>> version of the data until the server or standalone 4D was restarted. This >>> was a show stopper for me upgrading a client to v16. >>> >>> I called tech support and after uploading a sample db demonstrating the >>> problem was told that it was in fact a bug and a bug case was opened for >>> it. This bug existed in 16.1 and R4 beta. >>> >>> I then called Tracy, my sales rep, and asked her to expedite the bug. >>> >>> A couple of weeks ago I received a message from 4D TS saying the bug was >>> fixed in the latest nightly build of 16.1. I confirmed the fix, but noted >>> that it was still broken in R4 beta. TS acknowledged this and said that the >>> fix would not show up in the R releases until R5. >>> >>> 16.2 was released and as expected no bug. >>> >>> Today R4 was released and voila the bug has been fixed. >>> >>> Now in the context of this thread, this appears to be an anomaly? It does >>> say to me that 4D does heavily prioritize the bugs in their bug list. For >>> example, you might have noticed that in 16.2 the issue with the Design >>> Environment not remembering the open windows from the last session has been >>> fixed. Not so in R4. Interesting, yes? >>> >>> For me personally, I am not one to complain. I may be naive, but I trust >>> that the folks working on 4D are doing the best they can. Sure there could >>> be improvements, but I am one to live with what I got and be patient for >>> what is yet to come. >>> >>> I understand the frustrations, but that is my 2 cents worth. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, David Adams via 4D_Tech < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you have a bug that you really want fixes: you need to work with >>> Tech >>>> Support. If you don’t: then it’s just wishful thinking. >>>> >>>> I have done this. It's a bug that 4D should care about *way* more than >>> me. >>>> It crashes the server. Easily Submitted to tech support with a demo >>>> database, etc. >>>> >>>> It is NOT MY FAULT that 4D doesn't fix properly reported bugs. It is NOT >>>> OUR FAULT. It is their fault. >>>> >>>> I'm getting tired of hearing from people that someone bugs aren't being >>>> fixed because we're somehow mysteriously doing it wrong. I also >>> appreciate >>>> that I'm one of the very people that spit out that line over, and over >>>> again down the years on this list. >>>> >>>> Here's a list of positions that I can no longer accept on face value: >>>> >>>> "We aren't documenting that because it might change." >>>> This is silly in the extreme. Every piece of software might change, lots >>> of >>>> them say "This might change in a future version." Even 4D says this >>> clearly >>>> in their docs. So when you hear that line, it's an excuse for something >>>> else - who knows what. >>>> >>>> "It isn't Tech Support's job to report bugs." >>>> Of course it is. >>>> >>>> "You have to <<insert multiple steps here>> to get you bug fixed." >>>> 1. It's not my bug, it's THEIR bug. They're not doing me a favor. >>>> 2. Jumping through the hoops makes no particular impact that I can see. >>>> >>>> "Feature requests should be submitted through the appropriate section of >>>> the forums where there is open voting." >>>> True. Does this get feature requests implemented? Not as far as I can >>> tell. >>>> (Well, I did see one - but it was from Rob and he's got a special >>>> relationship with 4D.) 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