Yes, the expression is correctly evaluated and displayed; if it wasn’t, I would 
have used a rather stronger word than “infelicity”! Thanks for the explanation 
of what’s happening (wrapping). 

> On 14 May 2019, at 20:43, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> the expression is properly evaluated and functional without the parentheses.
> it is a display issue in the WYSIWYG editor,
> where the formula is too long to fit in the field and wrapped after the minus 
> sign.
> i.e.
> -Form.aaaa.aaaaa.aaaaaa
> becomes
> -
> Form.aaaa.aaaaa.aaaaaa
> you can confirm by extending the height.
> parentheses won't solve it.
> by contrast, this does't wrap:
> Form.aaaa.aaaaa.aaaaaa*-1
> 2 - try: -(Form.lastQ.outputVAT) or (-1 * Form.lastQ.outputVAT)

Chip, I agree that exit design means close it - it’s because all the design 
environment windows disappear that the option is so useful. In all previous 
versions of 4D, however, all the design window states were preserved and 
re-opened when dropping back into design, as you would expect. It’s a new issue 
in v17R4, I think. Try it with whichever version you’re using and you’ll see 
what I mean.


> On 14 May 2019, at 20:33, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote:
> Not using v17(anything) ... but
> 1 - exit design when going into application environment
> to me means close it up. I would try turning this off
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