My apologies for a few things, not knowing about webpaste already being one of them. Others are not answering your question already. I now have the answer, I think. Getting it to you is a bit trickier. You have very effectively switched me over from trying to install it (..surely the first step in learning a new os?..), to learning how to use it before installing it. This could take days, or weeks, or months.. -_- ;-)
On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 12:02 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > output of 'pci -v', '/dev/kprint'? > > also, tip: connect to the internet and then use webpaste, > instead of taking photos. It's a *LOT* easier to read text. > > Quoth Michael Jensen <[email protected]>: > > I have done further tests, confirming that when other ssd's are in the > > computer, with other operating systems, they -are- recognized. I also > > switched to legacy boot to see if anything changed, but no. > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 11:07 PM Michael Jensen < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > I finally have some more hard-data for you. I finally "re-burned" my > > > install media.. cause.. just cause. The installation process clearly > does > > > not leave it unchanged, so to do a fresh clean test.. gotta start again > > > with fresh components. Wasn't actually all that hard. for the > record, I > > > used the following command, from pen-drive linux: > > > https://pendrivelinux.com/create-bootable-usb-from-iso-using-dd/ : > > > > > > sudo dd if=/path/to/filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress > > > > > > once in the system.. it will be clear from the picture.. The ssd in my > > > computer is not recognized. If you ask me why not, you're asking the > wrong > > > person. I've tried the test with the ssd I originally tried with, and > with > > > a brand-new one. (WD, and Kingston [brand-new]) > > > > > > ..Including another pic or two, in case they have info that might be > > > useful.. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 5:26 PM Michael Jensen < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Absolutely not! I'm not sure of anything.. :-) Also, no, I don't > want > > >> to install to the usb. The usb is the boot-medium. I want to > install to > > >> the computer.. the ssd.. Yes. I'm even more of a clueless stranger > in an > > >> alien world than I thought.. -_- > > >> > > >> For what it's worth, I will observe that I have now tried installing > to > > >> another computer. To test out if the motherboard was the problem. > ..and I > > >> got even less far. this is a thinkpad t430.. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 4:09 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Your photos indicated that you were installing to a USB disk. Are you > > >>> sure you're installing to the disk you want to use? > > >>> > > >>> Quoth Michael Jensen <[email protected]>: > > >>> > This is very strange. I have re-started the installation process > with > > >>> a > > >>> > brand-new ssd. And I -still- get that partdisk and prepdisk are > > >>> already > > >>> > done. That only makes sense if the changes they made got made to > the > > >>> > motherboard, because this is a new ssd. Or are all these > > >>> > changes/selections getting saved to the -installation- medium? > > >>> > > > >>> > ..ok, this is going nowhere fast.. I'm getting what looks like the > > >>> same > > >>> > problem as before. ..so.. the ssd -isn't- the issue? ..so.. it > must > > >>> be > > >>> > the motherboard? I mean, maybe I just got the one ssd in the store > > >>> that > > >>> > isn't any good.. > > >>> > > > >>> > and no, I again didn't get -all- the output.. I didn't know what to > > >>> > expect. I kinda hoped it would just work.. > > >>> > > > >>> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:17 PM Michael Jensen < > > >>> [email protected]> > > >>> > wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > > This is about the best I can do. I have to take the picture at > > >>> exactly > > >>> > > the right time to get all the output before it vanishes. I took > one > > >>> last > > >>> > > picture. Best I can do to capture the last output before things > go > > >>> totally > > >>> > > hay-wire. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > from here, I'll repeat the process with a fresh ssd, stop > torturing > > >>> > > myself. eventually, I'll try installing another os on this one, > or > > >>> try > > >>> > > using it as an external data-storage device.. :-) > > >>> > > > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_225059.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfnYQhSZIv5YpIruD4WZ8pRRzaGZ8fQL/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_225118.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MU6_vZo2oGq6Uo1ppKgSERlR6B1rGT7O/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_225134.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdGpslzjZnEmxCgW9zz_woGed2Bz2_nC/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_225143.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Id7TiNiVcmiWL6_98uXIUTK7wSoKl_qc/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_225656.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XM0w4qoLcbjppYsAlWKciY2dQOEx3r1h/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_225704.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vuJymLqmDnIXqc6RFTlt3gW-kFYKpbQO/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_225717.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KdePP1bQLLlPLJpST3SgdnIbmFeKogmg/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_230449.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qHNeuYmOtnJqx407ImasM2Bq4kUaAEBn/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > IMG_20251110_230839.jpg > > >>> > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZsrdG3EEX6cd3rWDp3OAsUp4Itc27py/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > > > > >>> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:57 PM Michael Jensen < > > >>> [email protected]> > > >>> > > wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I have a better understanding now of what is happening. It > seems > > >>> that it > > >>> > >> now prompts me for what I want to do vis-a-vis configfs, and > then > > >>> jumps > > >>> > >> over partdisk and prepdisk. It is now telling me that they are > > >>> done, even > > >>> > >> though I totally absolutely didn't do them. at least, not this > time > > >>> > >> around. so.. the only thing that makes sense is that it is > > >>> detecting what > > >>> > >> I told it to do the last time I tried to install, and is > assuming > > >>> > >> (correctly, as it happens) that I still want it to do that same > > >>> thing. > > >>> > >> however, what if I had realized I wanted to change something? > > >>> seems like a > > >>> > >> dangerous policy. There must be a way of getting at these > settings > > >>> again, > > >>> > >> for when people want to change them later. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Ok, here are 4 more pictures. when it gets to reeming.. all > hell > > >>> breaks > > >>> > >> loose. to capture all the output, I would have to re-launch the > > >>> process.. > > >>> > >> I'll do that, and send it along a little later.. ..I mean, > maybe > > >>> it's > > >>> > >> doing it's thing perfectly, and I just don't have the > experience to > > >>> > >> recognize it.. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:41 PM Michael Jensen < > > >>> > >> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >>> The situation is overall very strange. ..or maybe not strange > at > > >>> all.. > > >>> > >>> no errors seem to be reproducible. At the moment, I'm > carefully > > >>> > >>> documenting my progress through the install and.. it actually > > >>> seems to be > > >>> > >>> working, except that I took the default (no) at the reaming > > >>> option, then > > >>> > >>> saw that the instructions say to choose yes. so now I'll have > to > > >>> restart. > > >>> > >>> sending along the pictures of progress to date so you have > them.. > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_143536.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_143602.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_143615.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_143906.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_143925.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_145205.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_145347.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_145413.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_145441.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_145517.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_145622.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> IMG_20251110_145751.jpg > > >>> > >>> < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen < > > >>> > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>>> I've managed to get it working again! it occurred to me that > I > > >>> -might- > > >>> > >>>> be able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power > > >>> button for > > >>> > >>>> 30 seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while > the > > >>> machine > > >>> > >>>> is plugged in or not, so I tried both. ..it worked! > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of > to do > > >>> this > > >>> > >>>> would be to take multiple pictures of it.. > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> I have now done this. however, much to my surprise, the > install > > >>> method > > >>> > >>>> did -not- seem to be the same this time around. As for what > the > > >>> cause of > > >>> > >>>> this could be.. I have no idea. Right now, I have absolutely > no > > >>> confidence > > >>> > >>>> that it is doing what it is supposed to. I'll send the pics > I > > >>> have, not > > >>> > >>>> expecting them to be much help. I did not succeed in getting > all > > >>> the > > >>> > >>>> output because it started printing things to the screen faster > > >>> than I could > > >>> > >>>> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen > got > > >>> > >>>> displayed. I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot > to > > >>> regain > > >>> > >>>> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a > year > > >>> ago openbsd > > >>> > >>>> felt like an alien planet.. > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein < > [email protected] > > >>> > >>>> wrote: > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the > full > > >>> output, > > >>> > >>>>> including the suggestions. > > >>> > >>>>> > > >>> > >>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen < > > >>> > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > >>>>> > > >>> > >>>>> > Greetings again all. > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > I have now attempted to install 9front. On my dell > latitude > > >>> e7450. > > >>> > >>>>> I > > >>> > >>>>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html. > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > I encountered the following problems: > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk. I follow the > > >>> > >>>>> recommendation of > > >>> > >>>>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter> > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q. > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > Instead, I get: > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > " > > >>> > >>>>> > error writing partition table to disk > > >>> > >>>>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state > > >>> > >>>>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk > > >>> > >>>>> > " > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a > bunch of > > >>> > >>>>> things. > > >>> > >>>>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this > time, > > >>> > >>>>> instead of > > >>> > >>>>> > suggesting a layout, I get: > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk" > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to > > >>> use esp > > >>> > >>>>> as my > > >>> > >>>>> > 9fat partition. > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the > gefs > > >>> as the > > >>> > >>>>> file > > >>> > >>>>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial. if that > works, > > >>> great. > > >>> > >>>>> > Thought I should report this though. > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > Cheers! > > >>> > >>>>> > Mike :-) > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen < > > >>> > >>>>> [email protected]> > > >>> > >>>>> > wrote: > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > > Greetings :-) > > >>> > >>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating > systems. > > >>> > >>>>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried > > >>> en-route. now > > >>> > >>>>> I'm > > >>> > >>>>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon. So, plan9 is the > bees-knees? > > >>> > >>>>> People > > >>> > >>>>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates.. > So.. > > >>> shall > > >>> > >>>>> we get on > > >>> > >>>>> > > with it? :-) Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for > > >>> instructions on > > >>> > >>>>> > > installing it ( > > >>> > >>>>> > > > > >>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html), > > >>> > >>>>> and > > >>> > >>>>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, > this > > >>> one is > > >>> > >>>>> > > woefully out of date. > > >>> > >>>>> > > < > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date > > >>> > >>>>> .>" > > >>> > >>>>> > > ..this is not encouraging. In fact, it stops me in my > > >>> tracks and > > >>> > >>>>> causes me > > >>> > >>>>> > > to write this e-mail instead. > > >>> > >>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>> > > ..I currently have three computers. Dell Latitudes > e7450 and > > >>> > >>>>> e7440, and a > > >>> > >>>>> > > Thinkpad T430. I am open to buying another one if there > is a > > >>> > >>>>> particular > > >>> > >>>>> > > one that is recommended for plan9. I can get another > > >>> > >>>>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can. ..I might poke > > >>> around > > >>> > >>>>> trying to > > >>> > >>>>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says > that I > > >>> won't, > > >>> > >>>>> not > > >>> > >>>>> > > without more assurance of support. > > >>> > >>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the > first > > >>> > >>>>> place. Keep > > >>> > >>>>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's > worth > > >>> > >>>>> investigating, > > >>> > >>>>> > > are two different things. I credit, in historical order, > > >>> "The Art > > >>> > >>>>> of Unix > > >>> > >>>>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor). vis are > the > > >>> people > > >>> > >>>>> whose > > >>> > >>>>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out. > > >>> (..Of > > >>> > >>>>> course, now > > >>> > >>>>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of > hits..) > > >>> > >>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>> > > Cheers, > > >>> > >>>>> > > Michael :-) > > >>> > >>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------ > > >>> > >>>>> > 9fans: 9fans > > >>> > >>>>> > Permalink: > https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf075600980be0e2b-M6b5b6515f00f915c523814ee > > >>> > >>>>> > Delivery options: > > >>> > >>>>> https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription > > >>> > >>>>> > > >>> > >>>>> > > >>> > >>>>> -- > > >>> > >>>>> Ori Bernstein > > >>> > >>>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T63e7a33c3d81852a-M75ab11de6d1c9e679b5f4b51 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
