So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn how
to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it to a
usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have another
"ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is that
the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while, at
first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure I
want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the os
in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up to
the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and indeed
enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code as
inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking criticism
for pushing as far as openbsd.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any better.
> On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might be happy
> to know that it worked less well.
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>> people use?
>>
>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>
>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?  Strongly?
>> Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the FQA is
>> updated.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>
>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which happens
>>> to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>
>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <[email protected]>:
>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>> suspected
>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>> via an
>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>> assume.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>>> Which
>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the
>>>> boot
>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>> infinite
>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why
>>>> would
>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>
>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>
>>>>

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