From: "Ray Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: Jon Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: "Arent Storm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Hardly anybody will know what an Irish-roll is (is it eatable?)
> >
> > Is there even such thing? In Krassen's version of O'Neils,
> > I find mention of a long roll and a short roll in Irish fiddle playing.
>> He also comments that
> > his notation is only appropriate for fiddle and that players of other
> > instruments may have to modify it. It seems to me that the situation is a
> > lot more complicated than just one "universal" Irish roll.
Agreed.
My main concern is the name it seems to get.
As far as I know, ornamentation signs are heavily used
in two main areas:
- Baroque/Classical/Romantical periods in Classicalmusic
- Folk music from all over the world.
There's more (folk)music than that from the British isles,
so capturing a particular ornamentation sign to named
'Irish roll' makes it difficult.
It comes in handy as terminology remains context free.
- trill, prall, turn and mordent are used commonly names for
the 4 most common ornaments for many instruments:
trill ( tr )
prall ( ~ shaped thing )
mordent ( slashed ~ )
turn: ( 8 shaped thing (rotated 90deg ))
All 4 ornments come in lots of variations, most not having
a context free name.
- uppermordent and lowermordent is googled only in abc-context
so I would stop using the term
> It's equivalent to a 'turn' ,
> The note above the main note;
> The main note;
> The note below the main note;
> The main note.
> {B}A{G}A
> A long roll has the main note played before the turn. A{B}A{G}A
>
> But the constraints of any particular instrument and personal taste cause it
> to be modified a lot.
>
> Ray
>
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