Hi list, Since the moderator kept the issue open for discussion, I was pursuing the entire discussion with immense interest. The issue I want to raise here is not whether we should be allowed to post off-topic messages or not, nor am I interested the least to question the efficiency of the moderator's excelent job. On the former, I am fully of the view that this group should strictly follow the topics which are, of course, accessibility and other visual impairment related issues. This is because we can simply share our other interests with our sighted counterparts, but when it comes to accessibility issues, nobody can assist or guide us more effectively than other visually challenged people like us. On the later, I fully agree that what the moderator is pursuing is a painstaking job which, beyond any dout, he is doing perfectly. So, I have no objection at all with regards to what to moderate. But, I must confess, I doubt the manner in which this particular issue, at least, was handled. the I have joined recently and I don't have any idea how such issues was handled in previous occasions. But, by all probabilities, the manner in which the moderator responded to the off-topic message in question was harsh. He has mentioned about putting some idea regarding his use of language against the off-topic message, but I don't remember what it was. of course, there is a guideline, but we humans are vulnerable to errors and tend to forget things. The members have recently said that the language of the person in question was inappropriate. No dout it was, but one must remember that such a harsh language was coming as a reaction to a language wich was no better. I am of the view, therefore, that the moderator could simply have objected to the message in question by telling him to check out the guidelines once more and it could have been done with full politeness in all probabilities. I don't know the technicalities of list moderation, but I feell that, if possible, the message could have been simply blocked and the person could have been informed to this effect and what he should do in private, rather than blasting him publically. After all, he was not posting of-topic messages time and again. On the whole, the so-called 'crap' mail he wrote to the list was nothing but an obvious reaction to somewhat inappropriate response he received.
Regards Viraj. 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.' 36, Kaveri, JNU New Delhi--110067. Mobile: +91 9891702745 MSN ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo ID: Virajkafle Skipe: Virajkafle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself > I feel this person must be expelled from the group. As Kiran said, > democracy doesn't mean anarchy or disregard for rules. I dislike the > language of the person in question. He certainly can't think he thinks > or does more than what we are capable of thinking or doing for > ourselves. > > BTW, Kiran, don't know if this mail can be directly sent to the list. > Since you have asked us to comment on this, I thought I can as well do > on the list. I and surely many others have complete faith in your > moderation and I feel you have responded the most appropriate way in > this case. > > Subramani > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kiran Kaja > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:26 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *********************** > > > Dear list members, > > Over the past five years or so of AccessIndia's existence, I have had to > painfully moderate a lot of discussions on the list. Sometimes I had to > use > strong language to desist people from starting strong arguments on why a > topic should or should not be discussed on the list. So far, most of you > did > not have any problem with my attitude towards running the list. But from > my > e-mail below, I get a feeling that some of you were not happy with the > way I > handled the motivational mumbo jumbo. Yes, I still insist that it is > mumbo > jumbo. How many of use haven't received such e-mails daily in our inbox? > If > Onkar wants, I can spam his mailbox with mumbo jumbo like this till he > stops > checking his e-mail out of frustration. > > But I understand from Onkar's mail that some of us or at least one of us > is > not happy with the way the issue is handled. If any of you think like > that, > please let me know immediately. I have always administered the list on > majority opinion and all good suggestions from each and every member > have > been implemented if found useful and relevant. I appreciate people > telling > me openly if they have any concerns. I hate those who say things behind > my > back. > > Yes Onkar, India is a Democracy. But it is no where mentioned that > democracy > means unlimited freedom. If so, you should not be punished or fined for > driving your car on the wrong side of the road or walking in the middle > of > one. In democracy, you are supposed to adhere to certain rules and > regulations to obtain your freedom. Like other democratic institutions, > AccessIndia too has a set of rules and guidelines which have been sent > to > you when you joined the list. When you do not follow these rules and > regulations, you will of course be intimated and necessary action will > be > taken. Please refer to the exact definition of Democracy before > commenting > on it. > > I have already put forward my view on the language that I use in my > moderated mails. One can't argue when one has violated the regulations. > > Yes Onkar, you are an ignorent person in your own way. I am sorry to say > this but you do not realize the true potential and abilities and needs > of > the visually impaired persons. All your mails indicate that you lack > proper > understanding of what some of us have achieved already. Your helping > hand is > appreciated but not your high handedness. We may use your technology if > it > is good. It doesn't mean that you are the only savier of the blind in > the > entire world. To hell with it, you are much far from it in your actions > as > well as thinking. > > I am sorry again to say that you are totally blind and not our > community. We > clearly know what our abilities are. We clearly know how to help each > other > and we clearly know how to use technology and words for our benefits. We > have seen the light of the day. It is people like you who lack vision. > To > give you an example, Dinesh Kaushal has contirbuted to the development > of a > free screen reader which can potentially help blind persons get jobs and > earn money. Numerous organizations have toiled decades to provide access > to > books and education. What have you done so far except some technical > mumbo > jumbo the concepts of which have been copied from somewhere anyway. > Seeing > with sound project has been existing from years now. If you think you > can > eradicate blindness through projects like this, you better go and look > for > another job. You are no fit serving in the blindness community > influencing > other ignorent people with your ignorence. > > As per your braille embosser idea, it sounds good but I would like > organizations to be using it before I can comment on it. But if it is so > simple, why are people paying thousands of dollars for braille > embossers. I > am tired of projects like these. You should start talking once you have > a > good working model that really works. > > Games are good but this is no new idea. Games for the blind have been > existing for so many years. And there are free ones too. While I > appreciate > the effort you put in for developing the games, I don't agree that games > have started with you. > > I don't care who helped you create these projects or the number of > people > involved. I don't care how many sleepness nights you put in to create > them. > You are not the only one who puts in sleepless nights. There are a lot > of us > who work harder than you. But we are not so mean to say that since we > have > put in sleepless nights, the technology is great or people should use > it. > > All of the other stuff you write in your e-mail is pure crap. You should > really start doing something that benefits us rather than sending mumbo > jumbo and writing all sort of idiotic crap. > > And to all who read this, if you do not like the way I run the list or > how I > moderate messages and if the majority thinks I am wrong, I am happy to > make > someone else the moderator. But if that is the case, I won't pay for the > running of the list or the feature rich accessindia website that is > being > designed as I write this. > > This topic is open for discussion. > > Thanks and regards, > Kiran. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar Nisal > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself > > Dear Group, > > Its been an amazing experience being with you all! > I have never had such respect, care, attention and love from you all > > Thank you so very much! each and every one of you! > > YES YOU TOO !! > > I am extremely sorry to disturb you with my motivational mumbo jumbo! > Hahahaha! I loved the term! fantastic! Thank you Mr Kaja. > > If you might have forgotten, let me be previlldged to remind you that we > live in democratic country and every one has right to express...and just > like our very own dear Mr Kiran Kaja had a right to speak whatever cute > things he wanted to speak, I too have to do the same and I shall > exercise it > with out any fear or regrets what so ever! > > So I am jolly well ignoring an extremely pleasing request of Mr Kaja of > not > replying to his splendid email! I mean how can I demean and disrespect > that > email with an reply!? > NO chance at all! > > I would like to really applaud to the language and way of putting forth > things by Mr Kaja and ofcourse so enthusiastic participation of the > entire > group! I am sure your group will go places... and be the best in the > world! > Surely! > > I believe it would be quite embarrasing for all of the highly > intelligent > and respected members to have an ignorant and simple person like me > talking > in the group. Right? > > Thus to save all the trouble which all the esteeemed members of this > community must surely might of been facing while I was making a futile > attempt to extend a helping hand in various ways.. I will no longer > write in > this group. (but I will definitely not be mute with out saying what I > have > to say!) > > I crazily though that I could share the goodness of life, words, > technology > which are so very inseprable from each other. But thanks to Mr Kaja.. I > am > brutally shaken to reality of the fact that how this community is indeed > blind in many apects of life.. not just to light or colors! > > ( I did see what an amazing response we people have given to > technological > posts... which was the reason I joined this community! Mind blowing! its > really very encouraging!!! > each and every person in the community replied to the games post that Ms > Mamta has submitted! I would really like to extend my personal thanks to > each and every one of you! thank you thank you so very much for trying > out > those games which I personally made staying up late in nights for hours > together! I thought my efforts were all drained down the lane.. but you > saved me from feeling this void! so kind of you! yes each one of you! > thank > you!!! a personal thank you!) > > Well I now understand how stupid I am! > I am sorry i wasted so much of YOUR ultra precious time!! > > Some people had wisely told me to keep away from AI. > But like a fool I wanted to give every one a chance. > > one my dear friend specially called me up after reading reply to my post > and > told me to forget caring about 'Indian' people. ( I believe that is the > only > another different person in this group!) > > Any way, some how I have a feeling that with a heavy heart I have to > accept > this reality that we Indians indeed do not care about each other .. > especially about their feelings! > > (Just take this email for example! do I care about you or your > feelings!? > Not really! Thats why I said WE Indians and wrote one of the most > sarcastic > emails of my life! ) > > > Thanks a lot for letting a useless person like me be part of AI. > I mean so what I written a software that can convert english text > directly > to braille which can be printed on simple dot matrix printer which can > work > as braille embosser! > who cares? > > so what if I have personally conducted mroe than 300+ experiments to > achieve > this, so what if I have spend many a sleep less nights toiling to create > an > algorithm to convert coloured digital images to sound. so what if mroe > than > 500 people are helping me with this project globally? so what if this > project has potential to eradicate blindness from earth? so what if a > special hardware is being build to achieve this feat in less than 10$ > (500 > Rs) of manufacturing cost? > > My friend Anjali beautifully explained to me how most of us (i.e. > we Indians) usually think! > [ofcourse our group is NOT included in these 'most of us' ] > > Here it is: > > Are the americans or british people praising the invention? no we dont > trust ourselvess! > we were slaves to British people... we will continute to do so! thats > basically our motto of life! thats why we will not accept it nor we will > support it neither will be take interest in it untill our masters.. i.e. > british or american people praises it.. and puts a price tag that is far > out > of reach of most elite people too... and when that happens.. we can sit > and > cry and beg for help! > > some one doing the same for free!?? then that must be not worth it! > we are typical Indian!! We would rather beg! and we are proud of it! > > why should we care about a fellow indian who left a very lucarative > occupation and working day in and day out like a maniac for so called > good > of man kind! > > Totally idiot person he is! isnt he!? > > Right! > > Jai Hind! > > Its amazing being with you all ! > > Thank you! > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you for taking time to read this email. > > I better be off to help the Visually challenged people outside India who > are > not as intelligent, kind,helping, participative, accepting, charming, > cheerful, welcoming, EXTREMELY understanding, co-operative, sweet, jolly > souls as most of us here are! > > All the best and May God bless us all with affluence and abundance of > everything that we want! > > Cheers > Omeee > :) > > > > > > > On 8/12/06, Kiran Kaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Onkar, > > > > This group is only for discussing accessibility and access technology > > > or other issues which influence persons with blindness. We don't need > > any motivation mumbo jumbo. There are enough places to get stuff like > > these and all our members know how to do it. Please send messages > > relevant to the topics permitted on the list. Please do not reply to > > this mail or answer me. > > Just do not forward such stuff. That's all. Thanks for your > cooperation. > > > > Regards, > > Kiran. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar > > Nisal > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:05 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [AI] Promise Yourself > > > > * Promise yourself to be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace > > > of mind. > > > > To talk health, happiness, and prosperity to every person you meet. > > > > To make all your friends feel like there is something in them. > > > > To look at the sunny side of everything and make your optimism come > true. > > > > To think only of the best, to work only for the best, and expect only > > the best. > > > > To be just as enthusiastic about the success of others as you are > > about your own. > > > > To forget the mistakes of the past and press on the greater > > achievements of the future. > > > > To wear a cheerful countenance at all times and give every living > > person you meet a smile. > > > > To give so much time to the improvement of yourself that you have no > > time to criticize others. > > > > To be too large for worry, too noble for anger and too strong for > > fear, and to happy to permit the presence of trouble. > > > > * > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org > > .in > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org > > .in > > > > > > -- > > > http://auxel.blogspot.com/ <-- Project to make Free Software for Blind > people to percieve coloured images! > > http://omkarsmiles.blogspot.com/ <--- my photo album online! 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