Viraj. Nice to see you here. Yes, you are really new. We know that polite requests do not often serve the purpose. And Kiran's mail was from no standards impolite. Without a stringent action, it seems, such mails will not stop. For people who pay for every mail in our in box, such mails are financial burden. I have left many lists simply because the moderators were not able to stop the spams. Regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Viraj Kafle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself
> Hi list, > > Since the moderator kept the issue open for discussion, I was pursuing the > entire discussion with > immense interest. The issue I want to raise here is not whether we should > be > allowed to post off-topic messages or not, nor am I interested the least > to > question the efficiency of the moderator's excelent job. On the former, I > am > fully of the view that this group should strictly follow the topics which > are, of course, accessibility and other visual impairment related issues. > This is because we can simply share our other interests with our sighted > counterparts, but when it comes to accessibility issues, nobody can assist > or > guide us more effectively than other visually challenged people like us. > On > the later, I fully agree that what the moderator is pursuing is a > painstaking job which, beyond any dout, he is doing perfectly. > So, I have no objection at all with regards to what to moderate. But, I > must > confess, I doubt the manner in which this particular issue, at least, was > handled. the I have joined recently and I don't have any idea how > such issues was handled in previous occasions. But, by all probabilities, > the manner in which the moderator responded to the off-topic message in > question was harsh. He has mentioned about putting some idea regarding his > use of language against the off-topic message, but I don't remember what > it > was. of course, there is a guideline, but we humans are vulnerable to > errors > and tend to forget things. > The members have recently said that the language of the person in question > was inappropriate. No dout it was, but one must remember that such a harsh > language was coming as a reaction to a language wich was no better. > I am of the view, therefore, that the moderator could simply have objected > to the message in question by telling him to check out the guidelines once > more and it could have been done with full politeness in all > probabilities. > I don't know the technicalities of list moderation, but I feell that, if > possible, the message could have been simply blocked and the person could > have been informed to this effect and what he should do in private, rather > than blasting him publically. After all, he was not posting of-topic > messages time and again. > On the whole, the so-called 'crap' mail he wrote to the list was nothing > but > an obvious reaction to somewhat inappropriate response he received. > > Regards > > Viraj. > 'Tis better to have loved and lost > Than never to have loved at all.' > > 36, Kaveri, > JNU > New Delhi--110067. > > Mobile: +91 9891702745 > > MSN ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo ID: Virajkafle > Skipe: Virajkafle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself > > >> I feel this person must be expelled from the group. As Kiran said, >> democracy doesn't mean anarchy or disregard for rules. I dislike the >> language of the person in question. He certainly can't think he thinks >> or does more than what we are capable of thinking or doing for >> ourselves. >> >> BTW, Kiran, don't know if this mail can be directly sent to the list. >> Since you have asked us to comment on this, I thought I can as well do >> on the list. I and surely many others have complete faith in your >> moderation and I feel you have responded the most appropriate way in >> this case. >> >> Subramani >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kiran Kaja >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:26 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself >> >> *********************** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >> *********************** >> >> >> Dear list members, >> >> Over the past five years or so of AccessIndia's existence, I have had to >> painfully moderate a lot of discussions on the list. Sometimes I had to >> use >> strong language to desist people from starting strong arguments on why a >> topic should or should not be discussed on the list. So far, most of you >> did >> not have any problem with my attitude towards running the list. But from >> my >> e-mail below, I get a feeling that some of you were not happy with the >> way I >> handled the motivational mumbo jumbo. Yes, I still insist that it is >> mumbo >> jumbo. How many of use haven't received such e-mails daily in our inbox? >> If >> Onkar wants, I can spam his mailbox with mumbo jumbo like this till he >> stops >> checking his e-mail out of frustration. >> >> But I understand from Onkar's mail that some of us or at least one of us >> is >> not happy with the way the issue is handled. If any of you think like >> that, >> please let me know immediately. I have always administered the list on >> majority opinion and all good suggestions from each and every member >> have >> been implemented if found useful and relevant. I appreciate people >> telling >> me openly if they have any concerns. I hate those who say things behind >> my >> back. >> >> Yes Onkar, India is a Democracy. But it is no where mentioned that >> democracy >> means unlimited freedom. If so, you should not be punished or fined for >> driving your car on the wrong side of the road or walking in the middle >> of >> one. In democracy, you are supposed to adhere to certain rules and >> regulations to obtain your freedom. Like other democratic institutions, >> AccessIndia too has a set of rules and guidelines which have been sent >> to >> you when you joined the list. When you do not follow these rules and >> regulations, you will of course be intimated and necessary action will >> be >> taken. Please refer to the exact definition of Democracy before >> commenting >> on it. >> >> I have already put forward my view on the language that I use in my >> moderated mails. One can't argue when one has violated the regulations. >> >> Yes Onkar, you are an ignorent person in your own way. I am sorry to say >> this but you do not realize the true potential and abilities and needs >> of >> the visually impaired persons. All your mails indicate that you lack >> proper >> understanding of what some of us have achieved already. Your helping >> hand is >> appreciated but not your high handedness. We may use your technology if >> it >> is good. It doesn't mean that you are the only savier of the blind in >> the >> entire world. To hell with it, you are much far from it in your actions >> as >> well as thinking. >> >> I am sorry again to say that you are totally blind and not our >> community. We >> clearly know what our abilities are. We clearly know how to help each >> other >> and we clearly know how to use technology and words for our benefits. We >> have seen the light of the day. It is people like you who lack vision. >> To >> give you an example, Dinesh Kaushal has contirbuted to the development >> of a >> free screen reader which can potentially help blind persons get jobs and >> earn money. Numerous organizations have toiled decades to provide access >> to >> books and education. What have you done so far except some technical >> mumbo >> jumbo the concepts of which have been copied from somewhere anyway. >> Seeing >> with sound project has been existing from years now. If you think you >> can >> eradicate blindness through projects like this, you better go and look >> for >> another job. You are no fit serving in the blindness community >> influencing >> other ignorent people with your ignorence. >> >> As per your braille embosser idea, it sounds good but I would like >> organizations to be using it before I can comment on it. But if it is so >> simple, why are people paying thousands of dollars for braille >> embossers. I >> am tired of projects like these. You should start talking once you have >> a >> good working model that really works. >> >> Games are good but this is no new idea. Games for the blind have been >> existing for so many years. And there are free ones too. While I >> appreciate >> the effort you put in for developing the games, I don't agree that games >> have started with you. >> >> I don't care who helped you create these projects or the number of >> people >> involved. I don't care how many sleepness nights you put in to create >> them. >> You are not the only one who puts in sleepless nights. There are a lot >> of us >> who work harder than you. But we are not so mean to say that since we >> have >> put in sleepless nights, the technology is great or people should use >> it. >> >> All of the other stuff you write in your e-mail is pure crap. You should >> really start doing something that benefits us rather than sending mumbo >> jumbo and writing all sort of idiotic crap. >> >> And to all who read this, if you do not like the way I run the list or >> how I >> moderate messages and if the majority thinks I am wrong, I am happy to >> make >> someone else the moderator. But if that is the case, I won't pay for the >> running of the list or the feature rich accessindia website that is >> being >> designed as I write this. >> >> This topic is open for discussion. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> Kiran. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar Nisal >> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:56 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself >> >> Dear Group, >> >> Its been an amazing experience being with you all! >> I have never had such respect, care, attention and love from you all >> >> Thank you so very much! each and every one of you! >> >> YES YOU TOO !! >> >> I am extremely sorry to disturb you with my motivational mumbo jumbo! >> Hahahaha! I loved the term! fantastic! Thank you Mr Kaja. >> >> If you might have forgotten, let me be previlldged to remind you that we >> live in democratic country and every one has right to express...and just >> like our very own dear Mr Kiran Kaja had a right to speak whatever cute >> things he wanted to speak, I too have to do the same and I shall >> exercise it >> with out any fear or regrets what so ever! >> >> So I am jolly well ignoring an extremely pleasing request of Mr Kaja of >> not >> replying to his splendid email! I mean how can I demean and disrespect >> that >> email with an reply!? >> NO chance at all! >> >> I would like to really applaud to the language and way of putting forth >> things by Mr Kaja and ofcourse so enthusiastic participation of the >> entire >> group! I am sure your group will go places... and be the best in the >> world! >> Surely! >> >> I believe it would be quite embarrasing for all of the highly >> intelligent >> and respected members to have an ignorant and simple person like me >> talking >> in the group. Right? >> >> Thus to save all the trouble which all the esteeemed members of this >> community must surely might of been facing while I was making a futile >> attempt to extend a helping hand in various ways.. I will no longer >> write in >> this group. (but I will definitely not be mute with out saying what I >> have >> to say!) >> >> I crazily though that I could share the goodness of life, words, >> technology >> which are so very inseprable from each other. But thanks to Mr Kaja.. I >> am >> brutally shaken to reality of the fact that how this community is indeed >> blind in many apects of life.. not just to light or colors! >> >> ( I did see what an amazing response we people have given to >> technological >> posts... which was the reason I joined this community! Mind blowing! its >> really very encouraging!!! >> each and every person in the community replied to the games post that Ms >> Mamta has submitted! I would really like to extend my personal thanks to >> each and every one of you! thank you thank you so very much for trying >> out >> those games which I personally made staying up late in nights for hours >> together! I thought my efforts were all drained down the lane.. but you >> saved me from feeling this void! so kind of you! yes each one of you! >> thank >> you!!! a personal thank you!) >> >> Well I now understand how stupid I am! >> I am sorry i wasted so much of YOUR ultra precious time!! >> >> Some people had wisely told me to keep away from AI. >> But like a fool I wanted to give every one a chance. >> >> one my dear friend specially called me up after reading reply to my post >> and >> told me to forget caring about 'Indian' people. ( I believe that is the >> only >> another different person in this group!) >> >> Any way, some how I have a feeling that with a heavy heart I have to >> accept >> this reality that we Indians indeed do not care about each other .. >> especially about their feelings! >> >> (Just take this email for example! do I care about you or your >> feelings!? >> Not really! Thats why I said WE Indians and wrote one of the most >> sarcastic >> emails of my life! ) >> >> >> Thanks a lot for letting a useless person like me be part of AI. >> I mean so what I written a software that can convert english text >> directly >> to braille which can be printed on simple dot matrix printer which can >> work >> as braille embosser! >> who cares? >> >> so what if I have personally conducted mroe than 300+ experiments to >> achieve >> this, so what if I have spend many a sleep less nights toiling to create >> an >> algorithm to convert coloured digital images to sound. so what if mroe >> than >> 500 people are helping me with this project globally? so what if this >> project has potential to eradicate blindness from earth? so what if a >> special hardware is being build to achieve this feat in less than 10$ >> (500 >> Rs) of manufacturing cost? >> >> My friend Anjali beautifully explained to me how most of us (i.e. >> we Indians) usually think! >> [ofcourse our group is NOT included in these 'most of us' ] >> >> Here it is: >> >> Are the americans or british people praising the invention? no we dont >> trust ourselvess! >> we were slaves to British people... we will continute to do so! thats >> basically our motto of life! thats why we will not accept it nor we will >> support it neither will be take interest in it untill our masters.. i.e. >> british or american people praises it.. and puts a price tag that is far >> out >> of reach of most elite people too... and when that happens.. we can sit >> and >> cry and beg for help! >> >> some one doing the same for free!?? then that must be not worth it! >> we are typical Indian!! We would rather beg! and we are proud of it! >> >> why should we care about a fellow indian who left a very lucarative >> occupation and working day in and day out like a maniac for so called >> good >> of man kind! >> >> Totally idiot person he is! isnt he!? >> >> Right! >> >> Jai Hind! >> >> Its amazing being with you all ! >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> Thank you for taking time to read this email. >> >> I better be off to help the Visually challenged people outside India who >> are >> not as intelligent, kind,helping, participative, accepting, charming, >> cheerful, welcoming, EXTREMELY understanding, co-operative, sweet, jolly >> souls as most of us here are! >> >> All the best and May God bless us all with affluence and abundance of >> everything that we want! >> >> Cheers >> Omeee >> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/12/06, Kiran Kaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Onkar, >> > >> > This group is only for discussing accessibility and access technology >> >> > or other issues which influence persons with blindness. We don't need >> > any motivation mumbo jumbo. There are enough places to get stuff like >> > these and all our members know how to do it. Please send messages >> > relevant to the topics permitted on the list. Please do not reply to >> > this mail or answer me. >> > Just do not forward such stuff. That's all. Thanks for your >> cooperation. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Kiran. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar >> > Nisal >> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:05 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [AI] Promise Yourself >> > >> > * Promise yourself to be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace >> >> > of mind. >> > >> > To talk health, happiness, and prosperity to every person you meet. >> > >> > To make all your friends feel like there is something in them. >> > >> > To look at the sunny side of everything and make your optimism come >> true. >> > >> > To think only of the best, to work only for the best, and expect only >> > the best. >> > >> > To be just as enthusiastic about the success of others as you are >> > about your own. >> > >> > To forget the mistakes of the past and press on the greater >> > achievements of the future. >> > >> > To wear a cheerful countenance at all times and give every living >> > person you meet a smile. >> > >> > To give so much time to the improvement of yourself that you have no >> > time to criticize others. >> > >> > To be too large for worry, too noble for anger and too strong for >> > fear, and to happy to permit the presence of trouble. >> > >> > * >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >> > .in >> > >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >> > .in >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> http://auxel.blogspot.com/ <-- Project to make Free Software for Blind >> people to percieve coloured images! >> >> http://omkarsmiles.blogspot.com/ <--- my photo album online! 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