how it is being filtered then? do you have any idea about it? whether it is depends upon the person who is sending the off topic messages?
Kasha. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > And I do think Kiran is definitely liberal. He isn't saying outright no > to all the off-topics. He goes by the criteria that things that of > concern and of use to all of us, like messages on certain problems faced > by the disabled. However, if things posted in the group are absurd, you > can't blame Kiran. can you? > > Subramani > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George > Abraham > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *********************** > > > I think it is rather unfair for us to keep taking digs at our > moderator. > Moderation is necessary and should be done with efficiency. Further, > all > of us are educated mature and responsible people, we need to be > focused on > the topics the group has been created for. > > Let me tell you, moderating is a thankless and often a very time > consuming job and I think we need to appreciate what Kiran has been > doing > for the group over the years. > > I have been a member of other groups dealing with blind and visually > > impaired people and topics related to blindness, let me tell you , the > > moderator can be really rude and rough if one wastes the group's time > with off topic postings. > > If we feel that we want a platform where we could discuss anything and > everything, we can create one. There used to be a group on yahoo > called > Blind Life, we could start one like that for us in India. But please > let > us not spoil the Access India platform with off topic postings and > wild > pot shots at the moderator who is just trying to maintain order for our > convenience. > > Warm regards, > > George > George Abraham > C.E.O. > Score Foundation > 125B, Shahpur Jat > New Delhi 110049. > India. > > Ph: 91-11-26494581, 91-11-26494582 > Mobile: 9810934040 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: www.eyeway.org > > Skype address: georgeabraham13 > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > > > Hope, Mr. Kiran is also reading this message. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shahbaz Ali Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:59 PM > Subject: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > > >> Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >> Dear friends, >> Right now a tragedy is unfolding in the Middle East. Hundreds of >> civilians have died in the bombings in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine >> and the death toll is rising every day. >> UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has called for an immediate ceasefire >> and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has joined Annan in calling for the >> deployment of international troops to the Israel-Lebanon border. This >> is the best proposal yet to stop the violence, but for it to succeed >> other global leaders need to get behind it immediately. >> I have just signed a petition urging regional and global leaders to >> speak out and support Kofi Annan's proposal. If people around the >> world can persuade their governments to unite in demanding a >> ceasefire, all sides in this conflict will be pressured to stand >> down. Can you sign the petition too? >> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org >> >> The petition will be sent to key regional and global leaders and >> publicized in major newspapers in the Middle East, US and Europe. >> With enough signatures we can help pressure our leaders to stop the >> violence. >> Thanks! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >> >> >>> It's very true. While the Colas like Pepsi and Coke are >>> manufactured for just 90P, they are sold for Rs 10 or more, precisely >>> because the company concerned wants to recover the advertising > revenue, >>> which may perhaps include the money they pay for cricketers and > celebs >>> for carrying their logo on their kit or on their costume. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr > Rakesh >>> Jain >>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:23 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> *********************** >>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>> >>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> *********************** >>> >>> >>> Dear Sir, don't you think that each TV channel with a number of > costly >>> advertisements is a direct burden on the pocket of common human > being, >>> whether one watches that channel or not! Now, if the common man or > the >>> government has to pay little for the benefit of the less fortunate > ones, >>> it >>> does not really matter much to the government. In private sector, >>> companies >>> spend crores of rupees on publicity and so-called staff welfare! As > the >>> there is something which is universally accepted, that is, corporate >>> social >>> responsibilities ( C S R). and, if they will not come forward to make >>> the >>> society beautiful, who will to it! And, you would definitely agree to > it >>> >>> that, we as disabled persons, have to spend alot, have to tax on our >>> limited >>> resources much more than the non-disabled persons. If the government > can >>> >>> continued to extend concessions, reservations and other facilities to >>> the SC >>> and ST and OBC categories, the blind people really deserve > government' >>> proper estimation of the situation. thanks. >>> is Dr. Rakesh Jain >>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pranav Lal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 5:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> >>>> Kiran, >>>> >>>> My concern with consessions is that if the government pays for them >>> then >>>> this will translate into higher taxes. For the private sector, it >>>> translates >>>> into a loss so I am unsure whether consessions are viable in the > first >>>> place. >>>> >>>> Pranav >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, >>> Kiran >>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:23 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>> >>>> I think my original point is diluted. I never said concessions > should >>>> not be provided. Instead, if you all read my original mail on this >>>> topic, I mention that concessions cannot be done away with no matter >>> how >>>> good the facilities are. My original point is who needs to pay for >>> these >>>> concessions. Does the government have to pay for them or the service >>>> providers and manufacturers of goods and services which are private >>>> companies. Also, which of the methods is desirable for us consumers. >>> If >>>> the government decides and pays for the concessions, we need not >>> request >>>> or demand any private company to provide them and be at their mercy. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Kiran. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sameer >>>> latey >>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 11:10 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Friends, >>>> >>>> 1. Only those blind individuals who are earning enough >>>> to have to pay tax can take advantage of the tax >>>> concessions like Section 80U. >>>> 2. Most of the blind individuals are residing in the >>>> rural areas and do not earn enough to pay taxes. >>>> 3. It is these people who require concessions and >>>> therefore concessions are required. >>>> 4. I agree that we must not demand concessions as a >>>> matter of right but as a tool to even the playing >>>> field. >>>> 5. At the same time, we must be vigilant to ensure >>>> that the concessions granted are implemented and not >>>> merely paper proposals. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Sameer >>>> --- Dr Rakesh Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> don't you think that concessions are meant for >>>>> masses and not for classes >>>>> like some of us who can really afford to manage >>>>> without concessions and if >>>>> we start a discussion that leads to a concession >>>>> free world; we are going to >>>>> cause a big loss to our less fortunate brotherens! >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Rakesh Jain >>>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:28 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > same here. >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> > To: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>> > <[email protected]> >>>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:18 PM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>i received three copies of this message. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >> From: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:53 PM >>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Dear Kiran, >>>>> >>> How do we justify that VIPs should be extended >>>>> various tax concessions >>>>> >>> in >>>>> >>> the backdrop of the argument that government >>>>> should fund our concessions >>>>> >>> from its tax collections? Doesn't it become >>>>> double counting? On one >>>>> >>> hand, >>>>> >> we >>>>> >>> are asking for concessions in the charges for >>>>> various services and also >>>>> >> the >>>>> >>> same in taxes, from where, the government has to >>>>> fund such concessions? >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >> am >>>>> >>> only asking for the reaction of AI members, as >>>>> this issue will come up >>>>> >>> sooner or later. >>>>> >>> regards >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>> From: "Subramani L" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:33 AM >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for >>>>> concessions? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> > Kiran: >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > This's what I exactly argue in my Ph.D thesis. >>>>> Your point makes >>>>> >>> > perfect >>>>> >>> > sense. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Subramani >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>> > >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Kiran >>>>> >>> > Kaja >>>>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:34 PM >>>>> >>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> >>> > Subject: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > *********************** >>>>> >>> > No virus was detected in the attachment no >>>>> filename >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>>>> >>> > *********************** >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Hi all, >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Having followed the thread on DGCA guidelines >>>>> and the subsequent >>>>> >>> > discussion >>>>> >>> > of concessions for the blind or escorts, I >>>>> have been thinking about it >>>>> >>> > for a >>>>> >>> > couple of days. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > I feel that in our country, the existence of >>>>> public sector in >>>>> >>> > businesses >>>>> >>> > like transport and education has benifitted >>>>> persons with blindness. If >>>>> >>> > all >>>>> >>> > the industry and utility services were run by >>>>> private firms, I don't >>>>> >>> > imagine >>>>> >>> > they would come forward with so many >>>>> concessions and exemptions for >>>>> >>> > us. >>>>> >>> > Providing concessions is much simpler for >>>>> public sector or government. >>>>> >>> > However, this raises a big question of who >>>>> should eventually pay for >>>>> >>> > the >>>>> >>> > concessions? >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > As citizens of the country, we are entitled to >>>>> lead a life which >>>>> >>> > closely >>>>> >>> > resembles a sighted or normal person who >>>>> doesn't have a disability. >>>>> >>> > This >>>>> >>> > obviously entails extra expenditure because of >>>>> various reasons. To >>>>> >>> > offset >>>>> >>> > this additional cost, concessions and >>>>> exemptions are provided. I >>>>> >>> > strongly >>>>> >>> > feel that since the government collects taxes >>>>> from individuals as well >>>>> >>> > as >>>>> >>> > businesses in the private sector, it should be >>>>> the one paying for >>>>> >>> > these >>>>> >>> > concessions. If the Railways were privatised, >>>>> the cost of providing >>>>> >>> > concession to blind persons should be born by >>>>> the government and not >>>>> >>> > by >>>>> >>> > the >>>>> >>> > private company which runs the railways. If a >>>>> private company >>>>> >>> > voluntarily >>>>> >>> > comes forward with concessions, it is a very >>>>> good gesture on their >>>>> >>> > part. >>>>> >>> > But >>>>> >>> > if concessions are imposed by law, the cost of >>>>> these concessions >>>>> >>> > should >>>>> >>> > be >>>>> >>> > reimbursed. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > For instance, when most of the other >>>>> passengers of airlines were >>>>> >>> > paying >>>>> >>> > full >>>>> >>> > fair for their tickets, blind persons were >>>>> only paying half. If we put >>>>> >>> > the >>>>> >>> > social argument of concession aside for a >>>>> while, the airline company >>>>> >>> > was >>>>> >>> > loozing money by carrying blind passengers. >>>>> The airline company in >>>>> >>> > question >>>>> >>> > also pays the same tax irrespective of >>>>> offering concessions. So, there >>>>> >>> > is no >>>>> >>> > insentive at all for the airline company by >>>>> carrying blind passengers. >>>>> >>> > On >>>>> >>> > the contrary, the company gets less money. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > I think it is the responsibility of the >>>>> government to provide or pay >>>>> >>> > for >>>>> >>> > the >>>>> >>> > concessions as they should look after the >>>>> welfare of its citizens. >>>>> >>> > Private >>>>> >>> > companies or public sector companies for that >>>>> matter should never be >>>>> >>> > forced >>>>> >>> > to bear the cost of concessions. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > What do you all think about this? I know this >>>>> is never going to happen >>>>> >>> > in >>>>> >>> > India. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Regards, >>>>> >>> > Kiran. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>> > with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > To change your subscription to digest mode or >>>>> make any other changes, >>>>> >>> > please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>>> >>> > n >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>> > with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > To change your subscription to digest mode or >>>>> make any other changes, >>>>> >>> > please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>> n >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>>> >> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>> This e-mail contains privileged information or >>>>> information belonging to >>>>> >>> IDBI Ltd. and is intended solely for the >>>>> addressee/s. Access to this >>>>> >>> email by anyone else is unauthorized. Any >>>>> copying (whole or partial) >>>>> >>> or >>>>> >>> further distribution beyond the original >>>>> recipient is not intended, >>>>> >>> and >>>>> >>> may be unlawful. The recipient acknowledges >>>>> that IDBI Ltd. is unable >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> exercise control or ensure or guarantee the >>>>> integrity of the contents >>>>> >>> of >>>>> >>> the information contained in e-mail >>>>> transmissions and further >>>>> >>> acknowledges that any views expressed in this >>>>> message are those of the >>>>> >>> individual sender and are not binding on IDBI >>>>> Ltd. E-mails are >>>>> >>> susceptible to alteration and their integrity >>>>> cannot be guaranteed. >>>>> >>> IDBI >>>>> >>> Ltd. does not accept any liability for damages >>>>> caused on account of >>>>> >>> this >>>>> >>> e-mail. If you have received this email in >>>>> error, please contact the >>>>> >>> sender and delete the material from your >>>>> computer. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>>> >> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or >>>>> make any other changes, >>>>> >> please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>> n >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> DISCLAIMER: >>>>> >> The Information transmitted in this email is >>>>> solely for the addressee. It >>>>> >> is confidential and may be legally privileged. >>>>> Access to this email by >>>>> >> anyone else is unauthorized. Any disclosure, >>>>> copying, distribution or any >>>>> >> action taken by anyone other than by the intended >>>>> recipient is prohibited >>>>> >> and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended >>>>> recipient then kindly >>>>> >> delete the mail from your system. Any opinion or >>>>> views expressed in this >>>>> >> mail may not necessarily reflect that of Punjab >>>>> National Bank. The bank >>>>> >> considers unencrypted email as an insecure mode >>>>> of communication. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or >>>>> make any other changes, >>>>> >> please visit the list home page at >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>> n >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> > with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> > >>>>> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make >>>>> any other changes, >>>>> > please visit the list home page at >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>> n >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>>>> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the >>>>> subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make >>>>> any other changes, please visit the list home page >>>>> at >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>> n >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>> n >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with >>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>> n >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>> n >>>> >>> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>> n >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >> > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please > visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
