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Kasha.----- Original Message ----- From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >I clearly mentioned the word 'Absurd', which means if you send something > totally irrelevant, what's the point blaming the moderator. Afterall, he > is doing his job. And, irrespective of who is sending it, he is doing > his best to point out that certain messages are not for discussion. I > think we shouldn't be expecting him to spoon feed us on this. Our > commonsense must tell us which one is relevant or which one isn't. > > Also, I feel we should examine ourselves if a message is relevant or > not, by perhaps cross checking with the rules specified. If you imply > Kiran is discriminate in his condemnation, I'm sorry to say that you are > wrong. As I said, you can't expect him to thunderbolt a response each > time we post absurd things. > > Subramani > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kasha > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *********************** > > > how it is being filtered then? do you have any idea about it? whether it > is > depends upon the person who is sending the off topic messages? > > Kasha. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > > >> And I do think Kiran is definitely liberal. He isn't saying outright > no >> to all the off-topics. He goes by the criteria that things that of >> concern and of use to all of us, like messages on certain problems > faced >> by the disabled. However, if things posted in the group are absurd, > you >> can't blame Kiran. can you? >> >> Subramani >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George >> Abraham >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:32 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >> >> *********************** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >> *********************** >> >> >> I think it is rather unfair for us to keep taking digs at our >> moderator. >> Moderation is necessary and should be done with efficiency. Further, >> all >> of us are educated mature and responsible people, we need to be >> focused on >> the topics the group has been created for. >> >> Let me tell you, moderating is a thankless and often a very time >> consuming job and I think we need to appreciate what Kiran has been >> doing >> for the group over the years. >> >> I have been a member of other groups dealing with blind and > visually >> >> impaired people and topics related to blindness, let me tell you , > the >> >> moderator can be really rude and rough if one wastes the group's > time >> with off topic postings. >> >> If we feel that we want a platform where we could discuss anything > and >> everything, we can create one. There used to be a group on yahoo >> called >> Blind Life, we could start one like that for us in India. But > please >> let >> us not spoil the Access India platform with off topic postings and >> wild >> pot shots at the moderator who is just trying to maintain order for > our >> convenience. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> George >> George Abraham >> C.E.O. >> Score Foundation >> 125B, Shahpur Jat >> New Delhi 110049. >> India. >> >> Ph: 91-11-26494581, 91-11-26494582 >> Mobile: 9810934040 >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Website: www.eyeway.org >> >> Skype address: georgeabraham13 >> . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >> >> >> Hope, Mr. Kiran is also reading this message. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Shahbaz Ali Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:59 PM >> Subject: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >> >> >>> Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >>> Dear friends, >>> Right now a tragedy is unfolding in the Middle East. Hundreds of >>> civilians have died in the bombings in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine >>> and the death toll is rising every day. >>> UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has called for an immediate ceasefire >>> and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has joined Annan in calling for the >>> deployment of international troops to the Israel-Lebanon border. This >>> is the best proposal yet to stop the violence, but for it to succeed >>> other global leaders need to get behind it immediately. >>> I have just signed a petition urging regional and global leaders to >>> speak out and support Kofi Annan's proposal. If people around the >>> world can persuade their governments to unite in demanding a >>> ceasefire, all sides in this conflict will be pressured to stand >>> down. Can you sign the petition too? >>> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org >>> >>> The petition will be sent to key regional and global leaders and >>> publicized in major newspapers in the Middle East, US and Europe. >>> With enough signatures we can help pressure our leaders to stop the >>> violence. >>> Thanks! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> >>>> It's very true. While the Colas like Pepsi and Coke are >>>> manufactured for just 90P, they are sold for Rs 10 or more, > precisely >>>> because the company concerned wants to recover the advertising >> revenue, >>>> which may perhaps include the money they pay for cricketers and >> celebs >>>> for carrying their logo on their kit or on their costume. >>>> >>>> Subramani >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr >> Rakesh >>>> Jain >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:23 AM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>> >>>> *********************** >>>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>>> >>>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>>> *********************** >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Sir, don't you think that each TV channel with a number of >> costly >>>> advertisements is a direct burden on the pocket of common human >> being, >>>> whether one watches that channel or not! Now, if the common man or >> the >>>> government has to pay little for the benefit of the less fortunate >> ones, >>>> it >>>> does not really matter much to the government. In private sector, >>>> companies >>>> spend crores of rupees on publicity and so-called staff welfare! As >> the >>>> there is something which is universally accepted, that is, corporate >>>> social >>>> responsibilities ( C S R). and, if they will not come forward to > make >>>> the >>>> society beautiful, who will to it! And, you would definitely agree > to >> it >>>> >>>> that, we as disabled persons, have to spend alot, have to tax on our >>>> limited >>>> resources much more than the non-disabled persons. If the government >> can >>>> >>>> continued to extend concessions, reservations and other facilities > to >>>> the SC >>>> and ST and OBC categories, the blind people really deserve >> government' >>>> proper estimation of the situation. thanks. >>>> is Dr. Rakesh Jain >>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pranav Lal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 5:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Kiran, >>>>> >>>>> My concern with consessions is that if the government pays for them >>>> then >>>>> this will translate into higher taxes. For the private sector, it >>>>> translates >>>>> into a loss so I am unsure whether consessions are viable in the >> first >>>>> place. >>>>> >>>>> Pranav >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, >>>> Kiran >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:23 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>> >>>>> I think my original point is diluted. I never said concessions >> should >>>>> not be provided. Instead, if you all read my original mail on this >>>>> topic, I mention that concessions cannot be done away with no > matter >>>> how >>>>> good the facilities are. My original point is who needs to pay for >>>> these >>>>> concessions. Does the government have to pay for them or the > service >>>>> providers and manufacturers of goods and services which are private >>>>> companies. Also, which of the methods is desirable for us > consumers. >>>> If >>>>> the government decides and pays for the concessions, we need not >>>> request >>>>> or demand any private company to provide them and be at their > mercy. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Kiran. >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sameer >>>>> latey >>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 11:10 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>> >>>>> 1. Only those blind individuals who are earning enough >>>>> to have to pay tax can take advantage of the tax >>>>> concessions like Section 80U. >>>>> 2. Most of the blind individuals are residing in the >>>>> rural areas and do not earn enough to pay taxes. >>>>> 3. It is these people who require concessions and >>>>> therefore concessions are required. >>>>> 4. I agree that we must not demand concessions as a >>>>> matter of right but as a tool to even the playing >>>>> field. >>>>> 5. At the same time, we must be vigilant to ensure >>>>> that the concessions granted are implemented and not >>>>> merely paper proposals. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Sameer >>>>> --- Dr Rakesh Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> don't you think that concessions are meant for >>>>>> masses and not for classes >>>>>> like some of us who can really afford to manage >>>>>> without concessions and if >>>>>> we start a discussion that leads to a concession >>>>>> free world; we are going to >>>>>> cause a big loss to our less fortunate brotherens! >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Rakesh Jain >>>>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>>>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>>>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>>>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:28 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > same here. >>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > To: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>>> > <[email protected]> >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:18 PM >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>i received three copies of this message. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >> From: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:53 PM >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> Dear Kiran, >>>>>> >>> How do we justify that VIPs should be extended >>>>>> various tax concessions >>>>>> >>> in >>>>>> >>> the backdrop of the argument that government >>>>>> should fund our concessions >>>>>> >>> from its tax collections? Doesn't it become >>>>>> double counting? On one >>>>>> >>> hand, >>>>>> >> we >>>>>> >>> are asking for concessions in the charges for >>>>>> various services and also >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >>> same in taxes, from where, the government has to >>>>>> fund such concessions? >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> >> am >>>>>> >>> only asking for the reaction of AI members, as >>>>>> this issue will come up >>>>>> >>> sooner or later. >>>>>> >>> regards >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>> From: "Subramani L" >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:33 AM >>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for >>>>>> concessions? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> > Kiran: >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > This's what I exactly argue in my Ph.D thesis. >>>>>> Your point makes >>>>>> >>> > perfect >>>>>> >>> > sense. >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > Subramani >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Kiran >>>>>> >>> > Kaja >>>>>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:34 PM >>>>>> >>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>> > Subject: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > *********************** >>>>>> >>> > No virus was detected in the attachment no >>>>>> filename >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>>>>> >>> > *********************** >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > Hi all, >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > Having followed the thread on DGCA guidelines >>>>>> and the subsequent >>>>>> >>> > discussion >>>>>> >>> > of concessions for the blind or escorts, I >>>>>> have been thinking about it >>>>>> >>> > for a >>>>>> >>> > couple of days. >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > I feel that in our country, the existence of >>>>>> public sector in >>>>>> >>> > businesses >>>>>> >>> > like transport and education has benifitted >>>>>> persons with blindness. If >>>>>> >>> > all >>>>>> >>> > the industry and utility services were run by >>>>>> private firms, I don't >>>>>> >>> > imagine >>>>>> >>> > they would come forward with so many >>>>>> concessions and exemptions for >>>>>> >>> > us. >>>>>> >>> > Providing concessions is much simpler for >>>>>> public sector or government. >>>>>> >>> > However, this raises a big question of who >>>>>> should eventually pay for >>>>>> >>> > the >>>>>> >>> > concessions? >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > As citizens of the country, we are entitled to >>>>>> lead a life which >>>>>> >>> > closely >>>>>> >>> > resembles a sighted or normal person who >>>>>> doesn't have a disability. >>>>>> >>> > This >>>>>> >>> > obviously entails extra expenditure because of >>>>>> various reasons. To >>>>>> >>> > offset >>>>>> >>> > this additional cost, concessions and >>>>>> exemptions are provided. I >>>>>> >>> > strongly >>>>>> >>> > feel that since the government collects taxes >>>>>> from individuals as well >>>>>> >>> > as >>>>>> >>> > businesses in the private sector, it should be >>>>>> the one paying for >>>>>> >>> > these >>>>>> >>> > concessions. If the Railways were privatised, >>>>>> the cost of providing >>>>>> >>> > concession to blind persons should be born by >>>>>> the government and not >>>>>> >>> > by >>>>>> >>> > the >>>>>> >>> > private company which runs the railways. If a >>>>>> private company >>>>>> >>> > voluntarily >>>>>> >>> > comes forward with concessions, it is a very >>>>>> good gesture on their >>>>>> >>> > part. >>>>>> >>> > But >>>>>> >>> > if concessions are imposed by law, the cost of >>>>>> these concessions >>>>>> >>> > should >>>>>> >>> > be >>>>>> >>> > reimbursed. >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > For instance, when most of the other >>>>>> passengers of airlines were >>>>>> >>> > paying >>>>>> >>> > full >>>>>> >>> > fair for their tickets, blind persons were >>>>>> only paying half. If we put >>>>>> >>> > the >>>>>> >>> > social argument of concession aside for a >>>>>> while, the airline company >>>>>> >>> > was >>>>>> >>> > loozing money by carrying blind passengers. >>>>>> The airline company in >>>>>> >>> > question >>>>>> >>> > also pays the same tax irrespective of >>>>>> offering concessions. So, there >>>>>> >>> > is no >>>>>> >>> > insentive at all for the airline company by >>>>>> carrying blind passengers. >>>>>> >>> > On >>>>>> >>> > the contrary, the company gets less money. >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > I think it is the responsibility of the >>>>>> government to provide or pay >>>>>> >>> > for >>>>>> >>> > the >>>>>> >>> > concessions as they should look after the >>>>>> welfare of its citizens. >>>>>> >>> > Private >>>>>> >>> > companies or public sector companies for that >>>>>> matter should never be >>>>>> >>> > forced >>>>>> >>> > to bear the cost of concessions. >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > What do you all think about this? 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