***? fill it up, please? Kasha. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
> The list is going in a very good way, in my opinion. There are a lot of > informations, that we are getting every day. Our moderator is doing very > good work, which is inexpressible. Those who think that this list is not > going in correct direction, *** > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > > Yes it is off topic again. But you don't have to fume on the moderator. > What, if he did not switch on his computer ever since this mail was > written. > > another possibility is that he sent a message to that particular > individual > rather than disturbing the entire list. > The tendency of policing the moderator is regretable and must be shunned > away. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shyam M Sayanekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East > > >> Dear members, how does this message fall under our topic? How the >> Moderator, >> who is otherwise so particular about the topic, is not taking any >> objection >> to this message? Why can we not adopt the similar standards for all the >> messages? If we do not want off-topic messages, it should be applicable >> to >> all the messages. >> Thanking you, Shyam M. Sayanekar >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Shahbaz Ali Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:59 PM >> Subject: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >> >> >>> Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East >>> Dear friends, >>> Right now a tragedy is unfolding in the Middle East. Hundreds of >>> civilians have died in the bombings in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine >>> and the death toll is rising every day. >>> UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has called for an immediate ceasefire >>> and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has joined Annan in calling for the >>> deployment of international troops to the Israel-Lebanon border. This >>> is the best proposal yet to stop the violence, but for it to succeed >>> other global leaders need to get behind it immediately. >>> I have just signed a petition urging regional and global leaders to >>> speak out and support Kofi Annan's proposal. If people around the >>> world can persuade their governments to unite in demanding a >>> ceasefire, all sides in this conflict will be pressured to stand >>> down. Can you sign the petition too? >>> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org >>> >>> The petition will be sent to key regional and global leaders and >>> publicized in major newspapers in the Middle East, US and Europe. >>> With enough signatures we can help pressure our leaders to stop the >>> violence. >>> Thanks! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> >>> > It's very true. While the Colas like Pepsi and Coke are >>> > manufactured for just 90P, they are sold for Rs 10 or more, precisely >>> > because the company concerned wants to recover the advertising >>> > revenue, >>> > which may perhaps include the money they pay for cricketers and celebs >>> > for carrying their logo on their kit or on their costume. >>> > >>> > Subramani >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr Rakesh >>> > Jain >>> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:23 AM >>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> > >>> > *********************** >>> > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>> > >>> > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> > *********************** >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear Sir, don't you think that each TV channel with a number of costly >>> > advertisements is a direct burden on the pocket of common human being, >>> > whether one watches that channel or not! Now, if the common man or the >>> > government has to pay little for the benefit of the less fortunate >>> > ones, >>> > it >>> > does not really matter much to the government. In private sector, >>> > companies >>> > spend crores of rupees on publicity and so-called staff welfare! As >>> > the >>> > there is something which is universally accepted, that is, corporate >>> > social >>> > responsibilities ( C S R). and, if they will not come forward to make >>> > the >>> > society beautiful, who will to it! And, you would definitely agree to >>> > it >>> > >>> > that, we as disabled persons, have to spend alot, have to tax on our >>> > limited >>> > resources much more than the non-disabled persons. If the government >>> > can >>> > >>> > continued to extend concessions, reservations and other facilities to >>> > the SC >>> > and ST and OBC categories, the blind people really deserve government' >>> > proper estimation of the situation. thanks. >>> > is Dr. Rakesh Jain >>> > Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>> > Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>> > Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>> > Skype ID: dr.rjain >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Pranav Lal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > To: <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 5:42 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> > >>> > >>> >> Kiran, >>> >> >>> >> My concern with consessions is that if the government pays for them >>> > then >>> >> this will translate into higher taxes. For the private sector, it >>> >> translates >>> >> into a loss so I am unsure whether consessions are viable in the >>> >> first >>> >> place. >>> >> >>> >> Pranav >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, >>> > Kiran >>> >> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:23 AM >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >> >>> >> I think my original point is diluted. I never said concessions should >>> >> not be provided. Instead, if you all read my original mail on this >>> >> topic, I mention that concessions cannot be done away with no matter >>> > how >>> >> good the facilities are. My original point is who needs to pay for >>> > these >>> >> concessions. Does the government have to pay for them or the service >>> >> providers and manufacturers of goods and services which are private >>> >> companies. Also, which of the methods is desirable for us consumers. >>> > If >>> >> the government decides and pays for the concessions, we need not >>> > request >>> >> or demand any private company to provide them and be at their mercy. >>> >> >>> >> Regards, >>> >> Kiran. >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sameer >>> >> latey >>> >> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 11:10 AM >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Dear Friends, >>> >> >>> >> 1. Only those blind individuals who are earning enough >>> >> to have to pay tax can take advantage of the tax >>> >> concessions like Section 80U. >>> >> 2. Most of the blind individuals are residing in the >>> >> rural areas and do not earn enough to pay taxes. >>> >> 3. It is these people who require concessions and >>> >> therefore concessions are required. >>> >> 4. I agree that we must not demand concessions as a >>> >> matter of right but as a tool to even the playing >>> >> field. >>> >> 5. At the same time, we must be vigilant to ensure >>> >> that the concessions granted are implemented and not >>> >> merely paper proposals. >>> >> >>> >> Regards >>> >> Sameer >>> >> --- Dr Rakesh Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> don't you think that concessions are meant for >>> >>> masses and not for classes >>> >>> like some of us who can really afford to manage >>> >>> without concessions and if >>> >>> we start a discussion that leads to a concession >>> >>> free world; we are going to >>> >>> cause a big loss to our less fortunate brotherens! >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Rakesh Jain >>> >>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>> >>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>> >>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>> >>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:28 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > same here. >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> > To: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> >>> > <[email protected]> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:18 PM >>> >>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>i received three copies of this message. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >> From: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> >> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:53 PM >>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> Dear Kiran, >>> >>> >>> How do we justify that VIPs should be extended >>> >>> various tax concessions >>> >>> >>> in >>> >>> >>> the backdrop of the argument that government >>> >>> should fund our concessions >>> >>> >>> from its tax collections? Doesn't it become >>> >>> double counting? On one >>> >>> >>> hand, >>> >>> >> we >>> >>> >>> are asking for concessions in the charges for >>> >>> various services and also >>> >>> >> the >>> >>> >>> same in taxes, from where, the government has to >>> >>> fund such concessions? >>> >>> >>> I >>> >>> >> am >>> >>> >>> only asking for the reaction of AI members, as >>> >>> this issue will come up >>> >>> >>> sooner or later. >>> >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>> From: "Subramani L" >>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:33 AM >>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for >>> >>> concessions? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Kiran: >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > This's what I exactly argue in my Ph.D thesis. >>> >>> Your point makes >>> >>> >>> > perfect >>> >>> >>> > sense. >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > Subramani >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> >>> Behalf Of Kiran >>> >>> >>> > Kaja >>> >>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:34 PM >>> >>> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> > Subject: [AI] Who should pay for concessions? >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > *********************** >>> >>> >>> > No virus was detected in the attachment no >>> >>> filename >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> >>> >>> > *********************** >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > Hi all, >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > Having followed the thread on DGCA guidelines >>> >>> and the subsequent >>> >>> >>> > discussion >>> >>> >>> > of concessions for the blind or escorts, I >>> >>> have been thinking about it >>> >>> >>> > for a >>> >>> >>> > couple of days. >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > I feel that in our country, the existence of >>> >>> public sector in >>> >>> >>> > businesses >>> >>> >>> > like transport and education has benifitted >>> >>> persons with blindness. If >>> >>> >>> > all >>> >>> >>> > the industry and utility services were run by >>> >>> private firms, I don't >>> >>> >>> > imagine >>> >>> >>> > they would come forward with so many >>> >>> concessions and exemptions for >>> >>> >>> > us. >>> >>> >>> > Providing concessions is much simpler for >>> >>> public sector or government. >>> >>> >>> > However, this raises a big question of who >>> >>> should eventually pay for >>> >>> >>> > the >>> >>> >>> > concessions? >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > As citizens of the country, we are entitled to >>> >>> lead a life which >>> >>> >>> > closely >>> >>> >>> > resembles a sighted or normal person who >>> >>> doesn't have a disability. >>> >>> >>> > This >>> >>> >>> > obviously entails extra expenditure because of >>> >>> various reasons. To >>> >>> >>> > offset >>> >>> >>> > this additional cost, concessions and >>> >>> exemptions are provided. I >>> >>> >>> > strongly >>> >>> >>> > feel that since the government collects taxes >>> >>> from individuals as well >>> >>> >>> > as >>> >>> >>> > businesses in the private sector, it should be >>> >>> the one paying for >>> >>> >>> > these >>> >>> >>> > concessions. If the Railways were privatised, >>> >>> the cost of providing >>> >>> >>> > concession to blind persons should be born by >>> >>> the government and not >>> >>> >>> > by >>> >>> >>> > the >>> >>> >>> > private company which runs the railways. If a >>> >>> private company >>> >>> >>> > voluntarily >>> >>> >>> > comes forward with concessions, it is a very >>> >>> good gesture on their >>> >>> >>> > part. >>> >>> >>> > But >>> >>> >>> > if concessions are imposed by law, the cost of >>> >>> these concessions >>> >>> >>> > should >>> >>> >>> > be >>> >>> >>> > reimbursed. >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > For instance, when most of the other >>> >>> passengers of airlines were >>> >>> >>> > paying >>> >>> >>> > full >>> >>> >>> > fair for their tickets, blind persons were >>> >>> only paying half. If we put >>> >>> >>> > the >>> >>> >>> > social argument of concession aside for a >>> >>> while, the airline company >>> >>> >>> > was >>> >>> >>> > loozing money by carrying blind passengers. >>> >>> The airline company in >>> >>> >>> > question >>> >>> >>> > also pays the same tax irrespective of >>> >>> offering concessions. So, there >>> >>> >>> > is no >>> >>> >>> > insentive at all for the airline company by >>> >>> carrying blind passengers. >>> >>> >>> > On >>> >>> >>> > the contrary, the company gets less money. >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > I think it is the responsibility of the >>> >>> government to provide or pay >>> >>> >>> > for >>> >>> >>> > the >>> >>> >>> > concessions as they should look after the >>> >>> welfare of its citizens. >>> >>> >>> > Private >>> >>> >>> > companies or public sector companies for that >>> >>> matter should never be >>> >>> >>> > forced >>> >>> >>> > to bear the cost of concessions. >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > What do you all think about this? 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