I clearly mentioned the word 'Absurd', which means if you send something
totally irrelevant, what's the point blaming the moderator. Afterall, he
is doing his job. And, irrespective of who is sending it, he is doing
his best to point out that certain messages are not for discussion. I
think we shouldn't be expecting him to spoon feed us on this. Our
commonsense must tell us which one is relevant or which one isn't.

Also, I feel we should examine ourselves if a message is relevant or
not, by perhaps cross checking with the rules specified. If you imply
Kiran is discriminate in his condemnation, I'm sorry to say that you are
wrong. As I said, you can't expect him to thunderbolt a response each
time we post absurd things. 

Subramani

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kasha
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East

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how it is being filtered then? do you have any idea about it? whether it
is 
depends upon the person who is sending the off topic messages?

Kasha.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East


> And I do think Kiran is definitely liberal. He isn't saying outright
no
> to all the off-topics. He goes by the criteria that things that of
> concern and of use to all of us, like messages on certain problems
faced
> by the disabled. However, if things posted in the group are absurd,
you
> can't blame Kiran. can you?
>
> Subramani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
> Abraham
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
>
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>
> I think it is rather unfair for us to  keep taking digs at our
> moderator.
> Moderation is necessary  and should be done with efficiency.  Further,
> all
> of us are educated mature  and responsible people,  we need to be
> focused on
> the topics the group has been created for.
>
> Let me tell you,  moderating  is a thankless  and often a very time
> consuming job and I think we need to appreciate what  Kiran has been
> doing
> for the group over the years.
>
> I  have been a  member of  other groups dealing with  blind and
visually
>
> impaired people and topics related to blindness,  let me tell you ,
the
>
> moderator  can be really rude and rough if  one wastes the group's
time
> with off topic postings.
>
> If we feel that we want a platform where  we could discuss anything
and
> everything,  we can create one.  There used to be a group on yahoo
> called
> Blind Life,  we could start one like that for us in India.  But
please
> let
> us not spoil  the  Access India platform with   off topic postings and
> wild
> pot shots at the moderator who is just trying to maintain order for
our
> convenience.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> George
> George Abraham
> C.E.O.
> Score Foundation
> 125B, Shahpur Jat
> New Delhi 110049.
> India.
>
> Ph: 91-11-26494581, 91-11-26494582
> Mobile: 9810934040
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Website: www.eyeway.org
>
> Skype address: georgeabraham13
> .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
>
>
> Hope, Mr. Kiran is also reading this message.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shahbaz Ali Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:59 PM
> Subject: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
>
>
>> Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
>> Dear friends,
>> Right now a tragedy is unfolding in the Middle East. Hundreds of
>> civilians have died in the bombings in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine
>> and the death toll is rising every day.
>> UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has called for an immediate ceasefire
>> and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has joined Annan in calling for the
>> deployment of international troops to the Israel-Lebanon border. This
>> is the best proposal yet to stop the violence, but for it to succeed
>> other global leaders need to get behind it immediately.
>> I have just signed a petition urging regional and global leaders to
>> speak out and support Kofi Annan's proposal. If people around the
>> world can persuade their governments to unite in demanding a
>> ceasefire, all sides in this conflict will be pressured to stand
>> down. Can you sign the petition too?
>> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org
>>
>> The petition will be sent to key regional and global leaders and
>> publicized in major newspapers in the Middle East, US and Europe.
>> With enough signatures we can help pressure our leaders to stop the
>> violence.
>> Thanks!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>
>>
>>> It's very true. While the Colas like Pepsi and Coke are
>>> manufactured for just 90P, they are sold for Rs 10 or more,
precisely
>>> because the company concerned wants to recover the advertising
> revenue,
>>> which may perhaps include the money they pay for cricketers and
> celebs
>>> for carrying their logo on their kit or on their costume.
>>>
>>> Subramani
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr
> Rakesh
>>> Jain
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:23 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>
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>>>
>>> Dear Sir, don't you think that each TV channel with a number of
> costly
>>> advertisements is a direct burden on the pocket of common human
> being,
>>> whether one watches that channel or not! Now, if the common man or
> the
>>> government has to pay little for the benefit of the less fortunate
> ones,
>>> it
>>> does not really matter much to the government. In private sector,
>>> companies
>>> spend crores of rupees on publicity and so-called staff welfare! As
> the
>>> there is something which is universally accepted, that is, corporate
>>> social
>>> responsibilities ( C S R). and, if they will not come forward to
make
>>> the
>>> society beautiful, who will to it! And, you would definitely agree
to
> it
>>>
>>> that, we as disabled persons, have to spend alot, have to tax on our
>>> limited
>>> resources much more than the non-disabled persons. If the government
> can
>>>
>>> continued to extend concessions, reservations and other facilities
to
>>> the SC
>>> and ST and OBC categories, the blind people really deserve
> government'
>>> proper estimation of the situation. thanks.
>>> is Dr. Rakesh Jain
>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900
>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900
>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345
>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Pranav Lal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 5:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kiran,
>>>>
>>>> My concern with consessions is that if the government pays for them
>>> then
>>>> this will translate into higher taxes. For the private sector, it
>>>> translates
>>>> into a loss so I am unsure whether consessions are viable in the
> first
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> Pranav
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja,
>>> Kiran
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:23 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>>
>>>> I think my original point is diluted. I never said concessions
> should
>>>> not be provided. Instead, if you all read my original mail on this
>>>> topic, I mention that concessions cannot be done away with no
matter
>>> how
>>>> good the facilities are. My original point is who needs to pay for
>>> these
>>>> concessions. Does the government have to pay for them or the
service
>>>> providers and manufacturers of goods and services which are private
>>>> companies. Also, which of the methods is desirable for us
consumers.
>>> If
>>>> the government decides and pays for the concessions, we need not
>>> request
>>>> or demand any private company to provide them and be at their
mercy.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Kiran.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sameer
>>>> latey
>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 11:10 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> 1. Only those blind individuals who are earning enough
>>>> to have to pay tax can take advantage of the tax
>>>> concessions like Section 80U.
>>>> 2. Most of the blind individuals are residing in the
>>>> rural areas and do not earn enough to pay taxes.
>>>> 3. It is these people who require concessions and
>>>> therefore concessions are required.
>>>> 4. I agree that we must not demand concessions as a
>>>> matter of right but as a tool to even the playing
>>>> field.
>>>> 5. At the same time, we must be vigilant to ensure
>>>> that the concessions granted are implemented and not
>>>> merely paper proposals.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Sameer
>>>> --- Dr Rakesh Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> don't you think that concessions are meant for
>>>>> masses and not for classes
>>>>> like some of us who can really afford to manage
>>>>> without concessions and if
>>>>> we start a discussion that leads to a concession
>>>>> free world; we are going to
>>>>> cause a big loss to our less fortunate brotherens!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Rakesh Jain
>>>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900
>>>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900
>>>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345
>>>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > same here.
>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> > To: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>>>> > <[email protected]>
>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:18 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>i received three copies of this message.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> >> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:53 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Dear Kiran,
>>>>> >>> How do we justify that VIPs should be extended
>>>>> various tax concessions
>>>>> >>> in
>>>>> >>> the backdrop of the argument that government
>>>>> should fund our concessions
>>>>> >>> from its tax collections? Doesn't it become
>>>>> double counting? On one
>>>>> >>> hand,
>>>>> >> we
>>>>> >>> are asking for concessions in the charges for
>>>>> various services and also
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >>> same in taxes, from where, the government has to
>>>>> fund such concessions?
>>>>> >>> I
>>>>> >> am
>>>>> >>> only asking for the reaction of AI members, as
>>>>> this issue will come up
>>>>> >>> sooner or later.
>>>>> >>> regards
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: "Subramani L"
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> >>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:33 AM
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for
>>>>> concessions?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> > Kiran:
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > This's what I exactly argue in my Ph.D thesis.
>>>>> Your point makes
>>>>> >>> > perfect
>>>>> >>> > sense.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Subramani
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Kiran
>>>>> >>> > Kaja
>>>>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:34 PM
>>>>> >>> > To: [email protected]
>>>>> >>> > Subject: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
>>>>> >>> >
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>>>>> >>> > Hi all,
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Having followed the thread on DGCA guidelines
>>>>> and the subsequent
>>>>> >>> > discussion
>>>>> >>> > of concessions for the blind or escorts, I
>>>>> have been thinking about it
>>>>> >>> > for a
>>>>> >>> > couple of days.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > I feel that in our country, the existence of
>>>>> public sector in
>>>>> >>> > businesses
>>>>> >>> > like transport and education has benifitted
>>>>> persons with blindness. If
>>>>> >>> > all
>>>>> >>> > the industry and utility services were run by
>>>>> private firms, I don't
>>>>> >>> > imagine
>>>>> >>> > they would come forward with so many
>>>>> concessions and exemptions for
>>>>> >>> > us.
>>>>> >>> > Providing concessions is much simpler for
>>>>> public sector or government.
>>>>> >>> > However, this raises a big question of who
>>>>> should eventually pay for
>>>>> >>> > the
>>>>> >>> > concessions?
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > As citizens of the country, we are entitled to
>>>>> lead a life which
>>>>> >>> > closely
>>>>> >>> > resembles a sighted or normal person who
>>>>> doesn't have a disability.
>>>>> >>> > This
>>>>> >>> > obviously entails extra expenditure because of
>>>>> various reasons. To
>>>>> >>> > offset
>>>>> >>> > this additional cost, concessions and
>>>>> exemptions are provided. I
>>>>> >>> > strongly
>>>>> >>> > feel that since the government collects taxes
>>>>> from individuals as well
>>>>> >>> > as
>>>>> >>> > businesses in the private sector, it should be
>>>>> the one paying for
>>>>> >>> > these
>>>>> >>> > concessions. If the Railways were privatised,
>>>>> the cost of providing
>>>>> >>> > concession to blind persons should be born by
>>>>> the government and not
>>>>> >>> > by
>>>>> >>> > the
>>>>> >>> > private company which runs the railways. If a
>>>>> private company
>>>>> >>> > voluntarily
>>>>> >>> > comes forward with concessions, it is a very
>>>>> good gesture on their
>>>>> >>> > part.
>>>>> >>> > But
>>>>> >>> > if concessions are imposed by law, the cost of
>>>>> these concessions
>>>>> >>> > should
>>>>> >>> > be
>>>>> >>> > reimbursed.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > For instance, when most of the other
>>>>> passengers of airlines were
>>>>> >>> > paying
>>>>> >>> > full
>>>>> >>> > fair for their tickets, blind persons were
>>>>> only paying half. If we put
>>>>> >>> > the
>>>>> >>> > social argument of concession aside for a
>>>>> while, the airline company
>>>>> >>> > was
>>>>> >>> > loozing money by carrying blind passengers.
>>>>> The airline company in
>>>>> >>> > question
>>>>> >>> > also pays the same tax irrespective of
>>>>> offering concessions. So, there
>>>>> >>> > is no
>>>>> >>> > insentive at all for the airline company by
>>>>> carrying blind passengers.
>>>>> >>> > On
>>>>> >>> > the contrary, the company gets less money.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > I think it is the responsibility of the
>>>>> government to provide or pay
>>>>> >>> > for
>>>>> >>> > the
>>>>> >>> > concessions as they should look after the
>>>>> welfare of its citizens.
>>>>> >>> > Private
>>>>> >>> > companies or public sector companies for that
>>>>> matter should never be
>>>>> >>> > forced
>>>>> >>> > to bear the cost of concessions.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > What do you all think about this? I know this
>>>>> is never going to happen
>>>>> >>> > in
>>>>> >>> > India.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Regards,
>>>>> >>> > Kiran.
>>>>> >>> >
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