Responding to Ishan Sangi. Here is the link to the bill https://www.livelaw.in/pdf_upload/up-population-control-bill-draft-396420.pdf
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:52 PM ishan sangi <[email protected]> wrote: > can any one please send the bill > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:44 AM Muhammad Mishbahul <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Measures of population control could be perhaps positive effects over >> specially south Asian region where population explosion and meager >> resources is a major concern. Having said that it should not be allowed to >> reflect and codify the social prejudices deeply ingrained in these >> societies specially towards persons with disabilities and other similar >> marginalized groups. Such denial of very existence off disabled child could >> be perhaps the first step towards the wiping out off such children in want >> of genetically superior offspring. I might be sounding hysterical but >> >> The recent and rapid scientific development especially in genomics is >> indicating towards it. Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 19-Jul-2021, at 9:28 AM, Harish <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Hi >> > >> > Ok, if something good is come by discussing here, I don't mind opening >> the thread. >> > >> > I have my own reservation though. >> > >> > Harish >> > >> > >> >> On 18/07/2021 10:42, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia wrote: >> >> so, then we dont need population control bill, right? >> >> since violation of law is norm, why to have new law. >> >> let people kill, rape, and dont take any action. >> >> At 08:03 AM 7/18/2021 +0530, you wrote: >> >>> agreed on this point that Anybody, intending to have more children, >> can easily obtain a >> >>> medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another >> >>> child. but, violation of law is everywhere in our country. what you >> can say where person had obtained disability certificate of 40% and >> enjoying all the facilities in jobs and others. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vikas Kapoor" <[email protected] >> > >> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:00 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Well this is exactly same what people have been thinking of a girl >> >>> child. At one point of time, girls were seen as a huge burden on the >> >>> society. Although Today the females have become quite productive and >> >>> important assets in almost every field, a section of the society still >> >>> seems to have the same attitude towards them. The same doctrine of >> >>> analogy can be applied here with respect to the people with disability >> >>> also. >> >>> Apart from the attitudinal problems, there's is yet another dimension >> >>> to it. Anybody, intending to have more children, can easily obtain a >> >>> medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another >> >>> child. >> >>> On 17/07/2021, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> very true Tanmay!! >> >>>> At 07:32 PM 7/17/2021 +0530, you wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> I have never said that, bill says disabled >> >>>>> children are not officially recorded. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> But why they are excluding disabled children from 2 children policy? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Their mindset clearly shows towards disabled children. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If a child borns with disability, he or she will also be included >> as a >> >>>>> child. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If government includes disabled children, >> >>>>> Then we will be able to control population very effectively. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 4:43 PM pranaya rani >> >>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> terrible thinking? the bill no where says >> >>>>> disabled children are not officially recorded >> >>>>> and are non-existent. Our fight should be >> >>>>> that disabled children for part of the 2 children policy. >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>> From: <mailto:[email protected]>Tanmay Srivastava >> >>>>> To: >> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>AccessIndia: >> >>>>> a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the >> disabled. >> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:44 PM >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I was also thinking the same while reading this draft. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If a child borns with disability, he or she will not exist >> officially. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> With this section, it will not possible to make >> >>>>> this bill effective as much as it should be. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:34 PM National Platform >> >>>>> For The Rights of the Disabled >> >>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> July 17, 2021 >> >>>>> >> >>>>>  >> >>>>> >> >>>>>  >> >>>>> >> >>>>> NPRD’s Reaction to the Draft Uttar Pradesh >> >>> h >> >>>>> (UP) Population Control, Stabilisation and Welfare Bill, 2021 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sec. 15 of the Bill includes a terribly >> >>>>> pejorative almost eugenic rationale where the >> >>>>> Bill says that if couples have one or two >> >>>>> children who “suffer†(term used in thn the >> >>>>> Bill) from disability, they can have more >> >>>>> children and will not be seen to contravene the two-child norm. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>  >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Notwithstanding, the other regressive and >> >>>>> contentious provisions in the Bill, this Section >> >>>>> seeks to invoke an ableist mindset and tends to >> >>>>> view the disabled as non-existent and equivalent >> >>>>> to being dead. This is atrocious and >> >>>>> unacceptable. Disability is a condition and one >> >>>>> does not “suffer†from a disability buy but rather suffers >> because of it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>  >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, >> >>>>> 2016, which the Bill invokes has equality and >> >>>>> non-discrimination as its guiding principles. >> >>>>> This provision in the Bill is a blatant >> >>>>> violation of these principles and reinforces the >> >>>>> concept of viewing children with disabilities as >> >>>>> a burden, unwanted by families and society. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>  >> >>>>> >> >>>>> National Platform for the Rights of the Disabled >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> National Platform for the Rights of the Disabled (NPRD) >> >>>>> 36, Pt. Ravishankar Shukla Lane >> >>>>> New Delhi 110 001 >> >>>>> Tel. 11-23387674; 9868768543 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Disclaimer: >> >>>>> 1. 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