can any one please send the bill On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:44 AM Muhammad Mishbahul <[email protected]> wrote:
> Measures of population control could be perhaps positive effects over > specially south Asian region where population explosion and meager > resources is a major concern. Having said that it should not be allowed to > reflect and codify the social prejudices deeply ingrained in these > societies specially towards persons with disabilities and other similar > marginalized groups. Such denial of very existence off disabled child could > be perhaps the first step towards the wiping out off such children in want > of genetically superior offspring. I might be sounding hysterical but > > The recent and rapid scientific development especially in genomics is > indicating towards it. Sent from my iPhone > > > On 19-Jul-2021, at 9:28 AM, Harish <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Ok, if something good is come by discussing here, I don't mind opening > the thread. > > > > I have my own reservation though. > > > > Harish > > > > > >> On 18/07/2021 10:42, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia wrote: > >> so, then we dont need population control bill, right? > >> since violation of law is norm, why to have new law. > >> let people kill, rape, and dont take any action. > >> At 08:03 AM 7/18/2021 +0530, you wrote: > >>> agreed on this point that Anybody, intending to have more children, > can easily obtain a > >>> medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another > >>> child. but, violation of law is everywhere in our country. what you > can say where person had obtained disability certificate of 40% and > enjoying all the facilities in jobs and others. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vikas Kapoor" <[email protected]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:00 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill > >>> > >>> > >>> Well this is exactly same what people have been thinking of a girl > >>> child. At one point of time, girls were seen as a huge burden on the > >>> society. Although Today the females have become quite productive and > >>> important assets in almost every field, a section of the society still > >>> seems to have the same attitude towards them. The same doctrine of > >>> analogy can be applied here with respect to the people with disability > >>> also. > >>> Apart from the attitudinal problems, there's is yet another dimension > >>> to it. Anybody, intending to have more children, can easily obtain a > >>> medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another > >>> child. > >>> On 17/07/2021, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> very true Tanmay!! > >>>> At 07:32 PM 7/17/2021 +0530, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I have never said that, bill says disabled > >>>>> children are not officially recorded. > >>>>> > >>>>> But why they are excluding disabled children from 2 children policy? > >>>>> > >>>>> Their mindset clearly shows towards disabled children. > >>>>> > >>>>> If a child borns with disability, he or she will also be included as > a > >>>>> child. > >>>>> > >>>>> If government includes disabled children, > >>>>> Then we will be able to control population very effectively. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 4:43 PM pranaya rani > >>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> terrible thinking? the bill no where says > >>>>> disabled children are not officially recorded > >>>>> and are non-existent. Our fight should be > >>>>> that disabled children for part of the 2 children policy. > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: <mailto:[email protected]>Tanmay Srivastava > >>>>> To: > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>AccessIndia: > >>>>> a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the > disabled. > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:44 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill > >>>>> > >>>>> I was also thinking the same while reading this draft. > >>>>> > >>>>> If a child borns with disability, he or she will not exist > officially. > >>>>> > >>>>> With this section, it will not possible to make > >>>>> this bill effective as much as it should be. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:34 PM National Platform > >>>>> For The Rights of the Disabled > >>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> July 17, 2021 > >>>>> > >>>>>  > >>>>> > >>>>>  > >>>>> > >>>>> NPRD’s Reaction to the Draft Uttar Pradesh > >>> h > >>>>> (UP) Population Control, Stabilisation and Welfare Bill, 2021 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Sec. 15 of the Bill includes a terribly > >>>>> pejorative almost eugenic rationale where the > >>>>> Bill says that if couples have one or two > >>>>> children who “suffer†(term used in thn the > >>>>> Bill) from disability, they can have more > >>>>> children and will not be seen to contravene the two-child norm. > >>>>> > >>>>>  > >>>>> > >>>>> Notwithstanding, the other regressive and > >>>>> contentious provisions in the Bill, this Section > >>>>> seeks to invoke an ableist mindset and tends to > >>>>> view the disabled as non-existent and equivalent > >>>>> to being dead. 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