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We are merely rambling without substance or this discussion is heading no where.
Let us close this thread with immediate effect, and move to something meaningful.
Harish Moderator. AccessIndia On 18/07/2021 10:42, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia wrote:
so, then we dont need population control bill, right? since violation of law is norm, why to have new law. let people kill, rape, and dont take any action. At 08:03 AM 7/18/2021 +0530, you wrote:agreed on this point that Anybody, intending to have more children, can easily obtain amedical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for anotherchild. but, violation of law is everywhere in our country. what you can say where person had obtained disability certificate of 40% and enjoying all the facilities in jobs and others.----- Original Message ----- From: "Vikas Kapoor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill Well this is exactly same what people have been thinking of a girl child. At one point of time, girls were seen as a huge burden on the society. Although Today the females have become quite productive and important assets in almost every field, a section of the society still seems to have the same attitude towards them. The same doctrine of analogy can be applied here with respect to the people with disability also. Apart from the attitudinal problems, there's is yet another dimension to it. Anybody, intending to have more children, can easily obtain a medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another child. On 17/07/2021, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia <[email protected]> wrote:very true Tanmay!! At 07:32 PM 7/17/2021 +0530, you wrote:I have never said that, bill says disabled children are not officially recorded. But why they are excluding disabled children from 2 children policy? Their mindset clearly shows towards disabled children. If a child borns with disability, he or she will also be included as a child. If government includes disabled children, Then we will be able to control population very effectively. On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 4:43 PM pranaya rani <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: terrible thinking? the bill no where says disabled children are not officially recorded and are non-existent. Our fight should be that disabled children for part of the 2 children policy. ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:[email protected]>Tanmay Srivastava To: <mailto:[email protected]>AccessIndia:a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill I was also thinking the same while reading this draft. If a child borns with disability, he or she will not exist officially. With this section, it will not possible to make this bill effective as much as it should be. On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:34 PM National Platform For The Rights of the Disabled <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: July 17, 2021   NPRD’s Reaction to the Draft Uttar Pradeshh(UP) Population Control, Stabilisation and Welfare Bill, 2021 Sec. 15 of the Bill includes a terribly pejorative almost eugenic rationale where the Bill says that if couples have one or two children who “suffer†(term used in thn the Bill) from disability, they can have more children and will not be seen to contravene the two-child norm.  Notwithstanding, the other regressive and contentious provisions in the Bill, this Section seeks to invoke an ableist mindset and tends to view the disabled as non-existent and equivalent to being dead. This is atrocious and unacceptable. Disability is a condition and onedoes not “suffer†from a disability buy but rather suffers because of it. The Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, 2016, which the Bill invokes has equality and non-discrimination as its guiding principles. This provision in the Bill is a blatant violation of these principles and reinforces the concept of viewing children with disabilities as a burden, unwanted by families and society.  National Platform for the Rights of the Disabled -- National Platform for the Rights of the Disabled (NPRD) 36, Pt. Ravishankar Shukla Lane New Delhi 110 001 Tel. 11-23387674; 9868768543 -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity;  2. 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