hello there,
kindly clarify what do you want to say.

On Sat, 13 Sept 2025 at 08:00, Madhu Madhu <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ok i am jon railway
> Hemant kumar m l
>
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2025, 7:58 AM Madhu Madhu <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 10:26 PM Krishan kumar Sharma <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> First of all, it is a matter of great happiness that your ID card has
>>> been generated on the basis of Unique Disability Card Sir, we would like to
>>> know from you how you applied for your card. It would be good if you could
>>> tell us the step by step process so that we can encourage more people to
>>> make cards.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 4:56 PM Stallon Peris <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rail Madat is not allowing me to login. I am adding correct contact
>>>> details but, After entering the OTP there, it is telling that, Contact
>>>> details mismatch.. Very veared issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 4:36 PM UDIT Pandey <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> use rail madad.
>>>>> I don't think who recroots these peoples. Its as if he's trying to be
>>>>> sooperiour than RRB.
>>>>> with regards,
>>>>> Udit Pandey.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sept 2025 at 16:25, Stallon Peris <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have posted on X about what happened after speaking with the
>>>>>> concession department officer. But, the sad thing is, we cannot express 
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> thoughts clearly on X due to character limits. So, going for Rail Madat
>>>>>> complain. Because, I am not at all happy how the concerned person was
>>>>>> guiding me to go to the nearest Bangalore government hospital and get the
>>>>>> concession certificate. He was not at all agreeing with my points. Let's
>>>>>> see what I can do here. But, this X should be scrap. Because, It is not
>>>>>> allowing non-premium users to share their thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Stallone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 3:19 PM UDIT Pandey <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Sandesh and Nitin's points, but I think we should try
>>>>>>> to stay on topic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's truly frustrating when beneficiaries face so many struggles,
>>>>>>> which defeats the purpose of these facilities. They are meant to 
>>>>>>> simplify
>>>>>>> our lives and improve our quality of living, but instead, they often 
>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>> more stress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> UDIT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sept 2025 at 14:27, Sandesh <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very well said! It's not frustration at all, neither exaggeration.
>>>>>>>> factually correct!
>>>>>>>> As I stated the other day, Not only this, I have seen people asking
>>>>>>>> and taking hefty sum of money in name of representation of disabled
>>>>>>>> claiming helping them fighting on behalf of them, taking their cases 
>>>>>>>> in all
>>>>>>>> matters including accessibility to proper channels etc. because it 
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> give unwanted turn to the subject in concern, won't speak any further.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vande Mataram
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandesh
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> *From:* nitinbhai patel <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2025 2:10 PM
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Received my Railway concession card sitting at
>>>>>>>> home on UDID basis without Railway concession certificate as per the
>>>>>>>> Railway circular
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This mistake is happening because of our own people, the ones who
>>>>>>>> are representing our community to the government. Either they did not
>>>>>>>> represent us properly, or they failed to put enough pressure. The
>>>>>>>> institutions that are working for visually impaired people also have 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> responsibility. If there is a problem with the website, they should 
>>>>>>>> get it
>>>>>>>> fixed. And if they are not getting it fixed, then they should not even 
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the right to represent us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not just in the railways – it happens everywhere. I have
>>>>>>>> seen it many times in banks as well, where visually impaired people 
>>>>>>>> are not
>>>>>>>> given proper facilities because of lack of awareness. So, the 
>>>>>>>> organizations
>>>>>>>> working for visually impaired people should either do their job 
>>>>>>>> properly or
>>>>>>>> else seriously reconsider their role
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sept 2025, 1:23 pm Sandesh, <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes it seems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because it is clear violation of the circular published by the
>>>>>>>>> Railways. If this is the case as the person states, why then the 
>>>>>>>>> circuar
>>>>>>>>> for blind allowing UDID in place of concession certificate is 
>>>>>>>>> published by
>>>>>>>>> the railways?
>>>>>>>>> You can raise this again to RailMadad or any social media handle
>>>>>>>>> of Railways telling them how your own people violate guidelines and
>>>>>>>>> circulars published by the Railways which actually mean to ease the 
>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>> for getting Railway card for blind people. And if possible, mention 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> name of the person you spoke with.
>>>>>>>>> And things such as "we are not allowing online certificates on
>>>>>>>>> UDID basis" also shows sheer arrogance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vande Mataram
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sandesh
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Stallon Peris <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2025 12:51 PM
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Received my Railway concession card sitting
>>>>>>>>> at home on UDID basis without Railway concession certificate as per 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Railway circular
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just to give you all a quick update which I've shared yesterday,
>>>>>>>>> I've spoken with the Mumbai Central DRM office concession department 
>>>>>>>>> guy.
>>>>>>>>> He is saying that we are not allowing the online concession only on 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> basis of UDID card. He is referring to point 7 and point 3 from the
>>>>>>>>> circular january 2025 which requires a concession certificate issued 
>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>> hospital. He told me to go to the nearest government hospital to get 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> concession and then reapply for the online railway concession. I was 
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>> to make him understand about point 5 from the circular but he was not
>>>>>>>>> agreeing because, point number 3 and 6 and 7 specifically for 
>>>>>>>>> concession.
>>>>>>>>> What should I do now? Should I again raise a complaint on twitter?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Stallone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 12:19 AM Saravanan K <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>> Please share the circular here. If any DRM officers ask about it.
>>>>>>>>>> We will send it for approval.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 6:04 PM Stallon Peris <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have finally received rejection for my online railway
>>>>>>>>>>> concession for not uploading offline concession. But, As soon as I 
>>>>>>>>>>> messaged
>>>>>>>>>>> Railway seva on X, They have raised my complaint and one mam from 
>>>>>>>>>>> the DRM
>>>>>>>>>>> office of Mumbai Central called me. I've explained my problem and 
>>>>>>>>>>> she has
>>>>>>>>>>> given me a number through which I can contact the concession 
>>>>>>>>>>> department of
>>>>>>>>>>> Mumbai and she has also told me to send them the circular of 
>>>>>>>>>>> Railways.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you guys for the amazing support that you guys are doing to 
>>>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>> other. Lets see, what positive response I'll get tomorrow!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Stallone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 5:54 PM BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> congratulation sandesh, I am happy that my little intervention
>>>>>>>>>>>> and contribution helped you in the matter. But, the concern is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> issuance of ID card is solly depend on the DRM office. each and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> every DRM
>>>>>>>>>>>> office have its local saying. I request you all to contact railway 
>>>>>>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>>>>>> authorities and ask them to educate their software team and DRM 
>>>>>>>>>>>> officials
>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding this circular.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/2025 3:01 PM, Sandesh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Namaskar all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, finally ,I got my awaited online Railway concession
>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate. I got it sitting at home on basis of UDID card. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first one who got it UDID basis. I got a call today from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>>>>>>> department person telling me that your card is ready and can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>> printed
>>>>>>>>>>>> now. I checked my messages and by the time I concluded my 
>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation with
>>>>>>>>>>>> him, I got the required SMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Due to accessibility issue of Divyangjan application, (although
>>>>>>>>>>>> I managed to apply myself by my own), I was not able to get print 
>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>> using both JAWS as well as NVDA. I called the concerned person 
>>>>>>>>>>>> again to ask
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether it could be really printed, he not only checked it but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> also sent me
>>>>>>>>>>>> the pdf for card printout.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, in short, I always believe, we should talk and interact,
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to convince, complaint is the last refuge to take. What 
>>>>>>>>>>>> happened, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> waited for 18 days, I wasn't in hurry, trusted his words that the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>>>>>>> signatory officer has really retired, took the necessary follow up 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> result is there in front of all of us.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, I take the opportunity to thank Shree Bhavanishankar
>>>>>>>>>>>> Verma as he told me that there is the circular of Railways which 
>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>> states that UDID card works if the person is blind, otherwise I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> was of view
>>>>>>>>>>>> of words of divyangjan application manual only saying the same 
>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence, I firmly decided to get card issued on this basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Railway people here in context were also aware of This circular
>>>>>>>>>>>> but not finding the way to implement.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, someone has to start it, and they did and my card is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ready.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The only thing I did not like here is that my Railway card
>>>>>>>>>>>> validity is of 5 years but my UDID is valid for lifetime. When 
>>>>>>>>>>>> asked about
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, he said that this circular came in January and my disability
>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate is printed before that, that is April 2024, hence all
>>>>>>>>>>>> applicants whose disability certificates issued before the date of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> circular will be receiving 5-years validity Railway concession 
>>>>>>>>>>>> card. He
>>>>>>>>>>>> also told that there was no human interference, all is done by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>>>>> on submitted documents basis. Logically, I wasn't convinced, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the joy of
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting it done UDID basis is really worth and error of 5 years 
>>>>>>>>>>>> validity
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of lifetime, and Divyangjan software/application/portal
>>>>>>>>>>>> rectifications could be done with as time elapses.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, people could apply and get their cards issued by uploading
>>>>>>>>>>>> UDID cards if they're not having Railway concession certificates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With thanks and regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vande Mataram
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sandesh
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