Aravind wrote: "its imposible to take a scribe who can make us sit and right fully in mains. such tallented scribes could have already cleared UPSC and will have no time helping us." That's why UPSC is focusing on some limited qualification of the scribe. If there is no qualification capping, somebody could bring some coaching master who is no more eligible to appear in the UPSC examination and can not qualify!! He can certainly help in one or two paper where one can get higher marks. See, Iam not against the facilities of the scribe, but we must demand what we can get from those sarkari officers.
On 6/17/15, avinash shahi <[email protected]> wrote: > You are right Arvind: I sometimes don't understand why some of us have > this much apprehension about blind people's ability. We need to get > our house in order before we jump guns over others. I lament why this > much negativity and low-esteem is promoted by few at the cost of many. > There are sighted who become blind and sail through the civil services > but they are less lethal than our own struggling totally blind > candidates. huh! ! I end my comments on the issue. And wish all > representatives will carry the expectations of the millions with them > and would come out in flying colours. > > On 6/17/15, Aravind R <[email protected]> wrote: >> its imposible to take a scribe who can make us sit and right fully in >> mains. >> such tallented scribes could have already cleared UPSC and will have >> no time helping us. >> so please don't complicate scribe issues in such high level difficult >> exams as questions warrents creativity and analitical skills of >> complex issues. >> even if scribe help, such candidate can't survive in the most >> difficult interview. >> we require a nice fast clear hand writing scribes and we should voice >> this issue as one uniformly. >> >> >> On 6/17/15, avinash shahi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Well, its productive that we're brainstorming on the guidelines and >>> suggestions are pouring in. I'm however more concerned about how the >>> representatives will reach to a consensus in their depositions. We >>> have three blind representatives--Advocate mis Palmnani, advocate Mr >>> Rungta and director NIVH Mrs Anuradha Mohit/Dalmia. Along with them, >>> the minutes of thee meeting informed us that representative from NIHH >>> Mumbai also wants strict supervision nothing else. on the otherside >>> we have a number of bureaucrats who are in majority who would >>> represent different ministries and in all probabilities would follow >>> the path directed by the biggest sister UPSC. So what is needed a >>> collective and collaborative deposition by our representatives. I wish >>> representatives arrive on consensus for the common goal. Its gonna be >>> difficult though! >>> On 6/17/15, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Mohib >>>> >>>> Folks, do get disqualified at the interview stage too.It is not that >>>> all >>>> those who have cleared the mains would get the job. My contention is >>>> even >>>> if >>>> a candidate gets through the mains stage, during the interview stage, >>>> the >>>> interview is pretty rigourous and those who have come this far as a >>>> result >>>> of the scribe, he will not be able to cope with the interview process. >>>> His >>>> weakness would definitely show up here. >>>> >>>> The point is, there is also one level of filtering process to which no >>>> accessibility issue plays as far as blind candidates are concerned. >>>> This >>>> should give comfort to the UPSC officials. >>>> >>>> We need to drum this point across effectively. >>>> >>>> It does not matter if the interviewer is aware of the written exams >>>> score. >>>> >>>> The competition is so very intense, poor showing in the interview would >>>> give >>>> little or no hope cracking it. >>>> >>>> To my view this arguement is hypothetical >>>> Harish. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Mohib Anwar Rafay >>>> Sent: 17 June 2015 14:41 >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerning >>>> the disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>> >>>> Harish sir, you may not be right what you've mentioned in your first >>>> message >>>> of this thread. >>>> If some foul play has been done at mains exam level with the >>>> perspective >>>> of >>>> UPSC or the candidate, it can not be dealt at the interview level. >>>> Because >>>> in UPSC interview is totally separet from mains exam, interviewer don't >>>> have >>>> access to the candidate's mains marks . >>>> Suppose a candidate got help from the scribe in improving his answers, >>>> he >>>> will get good marks in mains exam, even if he secures lesser marks in >>>> interview, he will be qualified because marit is prepared after >>>> combining >>>> both stage's marks. >>>> Now take the reverse scenario, if a candidate has suffered irreparable >>>> loss >>>> due to that sarkari scribe, he will get very low marks in mains exam >>>> itself, >>>> may be he couldn't qualify for interview just on this basis. Or he got >>>> very >>>> poor marks in mains, even he secure fair marks in interview level, he >>>> will >>>> not figure in final selection list! >>>> >>>> On 6/17/15, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Dear Ishita >>>>> I am responding to your mail on this thread. >>>>> I am unsure, if you have read my comments in the earlier thread. We >>>>> are looking this in a broader issue and plane. The ramification is >>>>> going to be far fetched and it will not be possible to take this up >>>>> time >>>>> and again. >>>>> >>>>> Let us understand why malpractise cannot be curbed by stricter >>>>> vigilance as you state? According to you what is the way out? How do >>>>> you deal in a subject like accountancy where the scribe does not >>>>> understand how posting should be made? 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