Hi, once the government quotas for recruiting people with disability
would get fulfilled, then everything would come back to square one
along with the implementation of the suggestion enumerated in these
discussion

On 6/26/15, ca.s.vijayku...@gmail.com <ca.s.vijayku...@gmail.com> wrote:
>               True. I always insist on the arrangement of  scribe does not
> have an insight of subject he/she is writing, so it would be good if the
> disabled is permitted to have a rapport with the scribe before going to
> write exams.
>
>               Regards
>
>
>               CA S Vijay Kumar
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Aravind R
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:03 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>
> dear vijaykumar sir,
> i never said that good scribes are busy so we should get bad scribes.
> what i ment is the people, who has the extra-ordinary potential to make us
> sit and right by themselves for high level exams like UPSC mains or CA wont
> have time to do such things for us as they could be in higher executive
> positions and wont have time.
> so, we need not worry much that blind people get illegal help from scribes
> in such higher level exams.
> they may get help in state level exams and bank exams which can be
> controled
> by good invigilation so, rules should not be framed like scribes should
> possess this much degree thus, it enables us to avail helpers who can
> atleast express the contents of question papers and write fast.
>
> On 6/26/15, ca.s.vijayku...@gmail.com <ca.s.vijayku...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>              We must find an amicable solution to this, just by stating a
> fact
>> that all good scribe would be busy in their respective profession ,we
>> are doing no justice to the career of disabled.  I faced with ICAI ,I
>> have been  provided an under graduate scribe for writing CA finals--
>> resulting loss of 4 years to qualify..
>>
>>              Regards
>>
>>              CA S Vijay Kumar
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Aravind R
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:32 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>>
>> thats what i also ment rajesh sir.
>> UPSC descriptive main papers warrents extra-ordinary original creative
>> ideas about recent issues along with deep knowledge which no scribe
>> can help.
>> such intelligent scribes will be busy in their profession and will
>> have no time to write for us.
>> its unnecessary confusion and problem created by our own members which
>> has the dangerous posibility of setting us backwards.
>>
>> On 6/25/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>> I had had a long chat with Beno Zephine who recently made it to the IFS.
>>> She has made the cut in her second attempt. The first time round she
>>> had a bad scribe and therefore suffered.  I am not quite sure if
>>> reliance on the UPSE or for that matter any board conducting exams to
>>> provide the scribe is doing justice to the true calibre of the blind
>>> person taking the exam. We work hard and the final outcome is a
>>> bloody
>> lotary.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 25 June 2015 11:10
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>>>
>>> I think UPSC papers are descriptive in nature.
>>> So, why are fools worried so much about cheating?
>>> Can't they curb it by reasonably good invegilators?
>>> Or there is a derth of them in UPSC!
>>>
>>>
>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>> AGM
>>> MIU
>>> Reserve Bank of India
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>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:05 AM
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>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>>>
>>> What, if anything, happened in the meeting which was supposed to be
>>> last week?
>>> Any updates?
>>>
>>>
>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
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>>> Behalf Of Eyeway Helpdesk
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:48 AM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>>>
>>> Dear listers:
>>>
>>> My questions/comments  and suggestions regarding the scribe
>>> guidelines are as under:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. few of the examination conducting bodies provide their own writers
>>> like SSC. My personal experience is that I got the scribe who was
>>> disinterestted in the exam and was in a hurry to just finish the exam.
>>> All he was interested in Rs. 250 which they got as a scribe fee.
>>> Should SSC and others not do some sensitisation programme before they
>>> send their employees as scribes?
>>> 2. The current MSJE scribe guidelines are very flexible and its
>>> implementation solely lies with the invigilator by being strongly
>>> vigilant. To do away with this responsibility, strong rules are
>>> imposed on candidates. Sighted people also cheat. Thus, the eligation
>>> on blind candidates is not exceptional. At the end of the day
>>> cheating is a  human tendencies. Thus, strong invigilation is meant
>>> for all the candidates.
>>> 3. Can there be a provision of Writer Bank by MSJE?
>>>
>>>
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>>> On 6/24/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> They can't be too nerrowly defined also!
>>>>
>>>> On 6/24/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Guidelines can not be individual centric. We don't want such
>>>>> guidelines those will struggle in their implementation.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/24/15, raaju <bidh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Fully agreed with ajay! I even have faced the same issue when I'm
>>>>>> persuing B C a.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:54 PM
>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> For your reference, sighting an example.
>>>>>> I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives"
>>>>>> which is only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs.
>>>>>> It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM",
>>>>>> "Measurement of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc".
>>>>>> How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who
>>>>>> hasn't even seen them before?
>>>>>> Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her
>>>>>> right the equation correctly?
>>>>>> Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past.
>>>>>> If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew
>>>>>> formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he
>>>>>> manage to do this in so- called time limit?
>>>>>> Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career?
>>>>>> How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/
>>>>>> equation correctly?
>>>>>> If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the
>>>>>> calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not
>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>> Hope this clarifies things.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ajay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows
>>>>>>> all the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you?
>>>>>>> If one person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who
>>>>>>> is junior from the same stream who know how to write those
>>>>>>> particular
>> symbols?
>>>>>>> In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not
>>>>>>> have passed the same exam at higher level in which you are
>>>>>>> appearing.
>>>>>>> Is it too hard?
>>>>>>> Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be
>>>>>>> changed, who are believing that there are some chances of
>>>>>>> cheating etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam.
>>>>>>> And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called
>>>>>>> MSJE guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I have following things to say.
>>>>>>>> 1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on
>>>>>>>> qualification isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown
>>>>>>>> malpractices by the candidates.
>>>>>>>> If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in
>>>>>>>> banks by greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw
>>>>>>>> of system and other candidates can't be left tu suffer because
>>>>>>>> of them. Here I
>>> fully
>>>>>>>> agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen the
>>>>>>>> practical side of it in this country's one of the most
>>>>>>>> prestigious business school.
>>>>>>>> 2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because
>>>>>>>> the person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is
>>>>>>>> over qualified and the other one which is allowed by the
>>>>>>>> examining body doesn't know anything. So do you want me to
>>>>>>>> forget about my preparation and teach him how to read and right
>>>>>>>> that particular content?
>>>>>>>> 3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the
>>>>>>>> candidates to use screenreaders.
>>>>>>>> Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal
>>>>>>>> has
>>> a
>>>>>>>> workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that
>>>>>>>> the system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader
>>>>>>>> user's perspective?
>>>>>>>> The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the
>>>>>>>> exams can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost.
>>>>>>>> 4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage
>>>>>>>> of mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big
>>>>>>>> concern for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a
>>>>>>>> CCTV have to rely on human beings only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt
>>>>>>>> anyone's feelings.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ajay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to
>>>>>>>>> check malpractices in examination is videography. Any other
>>>>>>>>> condition like lower educational qualifications may again force
>>>>>>>>> back to Stone
>> Age.
>>>>>>>>> This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change
>>>>>>>>> in terms of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system
>>>>>>>>> rather than, over the most deprived and neglected poor blind
>>>>>>>>> candidates.
>>>>>>>>> Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the
>>>>>>>>> realm of the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and
>> open-mindedly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Most of the group members including the learned  ones are
>>>>>>>>>> simply legitimising the dependency.  Such provisions can
>>>>>>>>>> create only inefficient and unskilled  blind mass.  Please
>>>>>>>>>> remember, it was easy for unskilled people to survive in 19th
>>>>>>>>>> and 20th century because they did have plenty of works to do.
>>>>>>>>>> But today, the situation has completely changed.
>>>>>>>>>> Imagine
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels.
>>>>>>>>>> I knew about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams
>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>> students before the exams and, in this process, dull students
>>>>>>>>>> were ensured
>>>>>>>>>> best writers.   That school was interested only in grabbing
>>>>>>>>>> newspaper
>>>>>>>>>> headlines by claiming that their blind students did  better
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> schools in the state.  Rest I leave to your imagination.  If
>>>>>>>>>> such guidelines
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are backed by some  institutes/organisations working for blind
>>>>>>>>>> who are interested only in taking credit for  recruiting blind
>>>>>>>>>> individuals, then there is no point in arguing about this
>>>>>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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