They can't be too nerrowly defined also! On 6/24/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Guidelines can not be individual centric. We don't want such > guidelines those will struggle in their implementation. > > On 6/24/15, raaju <bidh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Fully agreed with ajay! I even have faced the same issue when I'm >> persuing >> B >> C a. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Ajay Minocha >> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:54 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines >> >> Hi, >> For your reference, sighting an example. >> I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives" which is >> only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs. >> It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM", "Measurement >> of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc". >> How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who >> hasn't even seen them before? >> Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her right >> the equation correctly? >> Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past. >> If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew >> formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he manage >> to do this in so- called time limit? >> Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career? >> How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/ equation >> correctly? >> If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the >> calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not >> involved? >> Hope this clarifies things. >> Regards, >> Ajay >> >> >> On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows all >>> the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you? If one >>> person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who is junior >>> from the same stream who know how to write those particular symbols? >>> In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not have >>> passed the same exam at higher level in which you are appearing. Is it >>> too hard? >>> Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be >>> changed, who are believing that there are some chances of cheating >>> etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam. >>> And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called MSJE >>> guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause. >>> >>> On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I have following things to say. >>>> 1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on qualification >>>> isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown malpractices by the >>>> candidates. >>>> If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in banks by >>>> greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw of system and >>>> other candidates can't be left tu suffer because of them. Here I fully >>>> agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen the >>>> practical side of it in this country's one of the most prestigious >>>> business school. >>>> 2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because the >>>> person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is over >>>> qualified and the other one which is allowed by the examining body >>>> doesn't know anything. So do you want me to forget about my >>>> preparation and teach him how to read and right that particular >>>> content? >>>> 3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the candidates to >>>> use screenreaders. >>>> Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal has a >>>> workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that the >>>> system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader user's >>>> perspective? >>>> The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the exams >>>> can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost. >>>> 4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage of >>>> mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big concern >>>> for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a CCTV have to >>>> rely on human beings only. >>>> >>>> P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt >>>> anyone's feelings. >>>> Regards, >>>> Ajay >>>> >>>> On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to check >>>>> malpractices in examination is videography. Any other condition like >>>>> lower educational qualifications may again force back to Stone Age. >>>>> This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change in terms >>>>> of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system rather than, over >>>>> the most deprived and neglected poor blind candidates. >>>>> Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the realm of >>>>> the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and open-mindedly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote: >>>>>> Most of the group members including the learned ones are simply >>>>>> legitimising the dependency. Such provisions can create only >>>>>> inefficient >>>>>> and unskilled blind mass. Please remember, it was easy for >>>>>> unskilled >>>>>> people to survive in 19th and 20th century because they did have >>>>>> plenty >>>>>> of >>>>>> works to do. But today, the situation has completely changed. >>>>>> Imagine >>>>>> if >>>>>> such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels. I knew >>>>>> about >>>>>> >>>>>> a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams with >>>>>> blind >>>>>> students before the exams and, in this process, dull students were >>>>>> ensured >>>>>> best writers. That school was interested only in grabbing newspaper >>>>>> headlines by claiming that their blind students did better than all >>>>>> other >>>>>> schools in the state. Rest I leave to your imagination. If such >>>>>> guidelines >>>>>> >>>>>> are backed by some institutes/organisations working for blind who >>>>>> are >>>>>> interested only in taking credit for recruiting blind individuals, >>>>>> then >>>>>> there is no point in arguing about this subject. >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>> accessibility >>>>>> of >>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>> >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind >> ia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please >>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>> 1. 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